Thompson SMG - because i'm boring like that :P

dickiegriffin

Hi polycounters

a while ago i completed Millenia[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Tgy0lBdJK0&feature=plcp"] excellent tutorial[/ame] modelling a m37 shotgun.

taking what I learned I had a go at modelling this thompson.



all together the Tri count is 6179.
Diff, spec, normal & gloss maps for the Thompson itself are 2048*2048
Diff, spec, normal & gloss maps for the drum magazine are 2048*1024

(please say if you think thats excessive. if it was a stick magazine, I would have put the magazine and thompson on the same maps)

here are some viewport grabs

jasonroels

Am I the only one who can't see the images?

joeriv

Same here, I can see a couple of texture maps, but all the other images are broken.


Pasting the links gives this:

Your client does not have permission to get URL /lIqcDFc_nPUPZmyMP0MIXDXwU-j3HUeD24DqGQNV93OCIACzSr5pXpVxy6G3gQiPTVWFsygJUK8 from this server.

dickiegriffin

the textures

Diff


Norm


Spec


Gloss


Diff


Norm


Spec


Gloss


any feedback, specially on the texturing, would be appreciated

thnaks

dickiegriffin

sorry bout that. is that better?

seems Google docs is a bit crap when shearing images. kept changing the URL's. reposted a dozen times before I noticed the problem

Aga22

very nice!

SouthpawSid

lets get a wireframe?. This gun could use some more tris to soften up the organic shapes silhouette. In specific, the two grips and the butt stock. Try putting some of the contrasty damage we see in your spec/gloss really subtle like in your diffuse.

onionhead_o

i think the diffuse metal could be darker. And I think the Gloss map need more contrast between materials.

Bek

The scratches on the wood are really strong, you could try making them very feint / subtle in the diffuse and let the spec / gloss handle it (like SoutpawSid said)

dickiegriffin

Some wires as requested












Thanks for all the texturing feedback guys. I'll have ago at making those adjustments and post the results.

next project i'll post a wip thread to get some modelling feedback.

thx

mystichobo

It looksl ike a good start, but I think you could really do a better job at selling the metal

Take this image:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-YSkG2nftWfQ/UGb8eET_iOI/AAAAAAAAAQA/xN_Sx1dpD88/s1440/thompson%2520grab02.jpg
And look around the trigger area, it's all kinda blending into one object, it just looks flat.
Metal has lots of minor darkness variations in it, normally they are pretty subtle in the diff but come out a lot more in the spec. At the moment it semi looks like you are using a flat grey colour for it and nothing else.
This video is well worth at watch: http://cg.tutsplus.com/tutorials/photoshop/how-to-hand-paint-convincing-metal-textures/

People have already pointed out the problems with the wood

It's looking good though, looking foward to seeing the finished thing

16bit

Am I the one that thinks the front handle looks weird? It looks like it should connect to the barrel somehow. The way its shown here makes it look like it could just snap off very easily.

Kon Artist

The front grip is missing a little piece of metal on top. Here's a couple of good refs.

http://www.ima-usa.com/thompson-smg-vertical-foregrip.html

Snader

Front grip has wrong wood grain. Needs to be horizontal, otherwise the wood would easily snap.

Drum magazine needs more sides because the silhouette is very choppy. You can drop the center loop, though. Get rid of the 6 sets of 3 bumps (which should actually be just two) as well, just texture those.

The receiver has a lot of useless loops. Terminate them. You're not making graph/table paper. You're making a lowpoly. You don't need to keep it all rectangles.

Optimize all the rivets a lot. A simple truncated cone should suffice. Extrude the barrel inside more - give some actual depth.

dickiegriffin

thanks for all the texturing advice. Think I might give it another crack this week. Xoliul real time shader which seems to give the model a totally different look even with the same textures.


Thanks for the points on the modelling Snader

Snader wrote: »

The receiver has a lot of useless loops. Terminate them. You're not making graph/table paper. You're making a lowpoly. You don't need to keep it all rectangles.

I know what you mean, but I get a lot of odd looking specular highlights if I don't maintain quads. or is that just a problem in the max viewport?

Snader wrote: »

Extrude the barrel inside more - give some actual depth.

you'll never get close enough to see it in game.

thanks

dickiegriffin

update

Polygoblin

Nice update. What did you get the tri count down to? Earlier there were lots of polys you didn't need. Also, your mag and gun should be on the same map (but you may just have to remember that for next time since it's such a big change at this point). Lastly, your maps are way too large for the level of detail you have here. Try reducing each map by half (use the "bicubic sharper" resampling in photoshop to preserve fine detail) and look at your renders side by side. I'm guessing you'll lose little to no detail

Oniram

well hey. thats lookin much better. watch the random scratches going all over the place though. its a nice effect but often over/mis-used. i dont ever think ive seen a gun that looks like a child treated it with a screw as if it were a crayon. :P more big variation in specular/gloss on the metal surface to indicate slight wear, oil from handling. etc. some slight dirt buildup in corners (ironsights especially), and obligatory edge scratches. keep it goin.

ausernottaken

It's probably been mentioned already but you have way too many loops on your low poly.

In this picture, there is the little hole for the bolt where the loops for it extend around the whole gun. Those can be welded in a few places to reduce the poly count.

dickiegriffin

topology has changed since then. I've just not put up a new picture

dickiegriffin

Sort of at the point where I dont think i could make it better. I Know its not perfect, but it's prob as close as i'm going to get it. Been a learning experience which is the important thing.

final tri count came in at 5210.

thanks for everyone for the crits!

nathanbarrett

Very nice!

AlexCatMasterSupreme

Sexually appealing.