Slaughter House Asset creation

terry1337

hi i am currently working on the a game project by zen davis.
I will be making some assets and will post them here for some feedback yours sincerely Terry
first one a Dvdcase

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odium

What engine? What type of game? What spec?

Posting these shots is pointless. Nobody can say if its far too high, far too low... Anything.

terry1337

there gona be for cryengine horrorsurvival game

Boyso

Well that DVD case, unless the character uses it as a weapon shouldn't have 600 tris...

terry1337

there 303 tri's for 1

Boyso

That's still a lot for a Dvd case. No need to have chamfers on that thing, put that in a normal map. You won't ever see it close enough to notice the chamfers.

Justin Meisse

if it's just environment clutter, 12 triangles for a DVD case - if there are going to be stacks of DVDs, like someone's movie collection, model one long rectangle and fake the number of DVDs in the texture.

If the dvd is something that you pick up and is right up in the players face - like the clue inspection scenes in L.A. Noir or inspecting items in Skyrim, then the current level of detail is fine.

yodude87

Justin_Meisse wrote: »

if it's just environment clutter, 12 triangles for a DVD case - if there are going to be stacks of DVDs, like someone's movie collection, model one long rectangle and fake the number of DVDs in the texture.

If the dvd is something that you pick up and is right up in the players face - like the clue inspection scenes in L.A. Noir or inspecting items in Skyrim, then the current level of detail is fine.

this.

terry1337

the player will be able to carry it.And toss it if they need to. so i think the amount of detail is decent tnx for the feedback snd tnx justin^^ for explaining wy:D

Boyso

Yeah Justin explained it perfectly. If it's in your hands, it's fine, but if it's on a shelf next to the TV, you wouldn't need as much tris.

odium

No. The player will be able to pick it up, like you can pick up misc objects in Crysis. But its still a world model, which means 12 tris is fine.

ZenDavis

So who should we listen to? Justin or Odium?

Boyso

Well if it's a one of a kind objet, such as an evidence that'd you pick up once to inspect, I guess 300 tris is fine, but if like Odium says its a random object that can be picked up and thrown at someone, etc, 12 tris is better. Since if every prop as small as a dvd case in your enviro/game is 300+ tris, you'd have serious fps issues real quick

Benton

Yeah 300 seems way to high. You can fake it with normal maps. 50 tris seems better.
And the papers on the board should be part of the texture, not extra geometry, unless the player looks at it a lot.

odium

Yup. It looks like its just a misc object that can be picked up, randomly, but serves no point other than being an object you can pick up. Its not part of the game in anyway, its misc detail. 12 tris is fine.

HOWEVER.

Whether you go with a stupidly high polycount, or go with a sensible 12 tris object... The modeling really isn't up to scratch. Theres wasted polygons regardless, sharp edges, all sorts. Might need to look at some basic tutorials first, before moving onto these things.

EDIT:

Heres a misc, low detail map object I made for OverDose a while back. Its 12 tris, because it doesn't need to be any higher, its a misc object that has no bearing on the game at all other than for detail. Thats why its so low detail and doesn't look like I took a long time on it it was a few minutes:

Justin Meisse

ZenDavis wrote: »

So who should we listen to? Justin or Odium?

both because we are saying the same thing. Unless it's straight up in your face inspecting the nooks and crannies, there's no reason to use a ton of triangles.

konstruct

*cough* LOD`s *cough*

Rhoutermans

Fuck1 wrote: »

down with that

the bot is actually right this time lol

yodude87

Rhoutermans wrote: »

the bot is actually right this time lol

hhahahahahahahah xD

Snader

konstruct wrote: »

*cough* LOD`s *cough*

Konstruct is correct. You should just swap out the models once you pick up the object and hold it in your hands. That said, 301 triangles is quite a lot - especially so since you still have jagged corners. I don't really think you need more than 100 triangles, but even a box or chamfered box would suffice.

Look at the middle case in this image and in https://dl.dropbox.com/u/448525/DVDCases.max, and compare it with the other ones. Is it really worth spending 3x as many triangles, and some extra time modeling, for a marginally better look? Probably not. (yes, I took the time too, but for me it was just a relaxing side project - for you it's work with a deadline)

I have the feeling you guys (you, k21n and possible other artists you know) should have a talk with whoever is your art director. Otherwise you might run out of budget quickly; both in $ and in ▲.

terry1337

new asset let me know what i can change and adjust yours sincerely Terry

Boyso

I'd say remove the tris you used to make the seam and use them to make the football rounder. The seam is easily faked with a normal, the silhouette, not so much.

Snader

Boyso's right. Just model the round egg-shape of the ball, not the middle seam or the 5 stitches. Just put those in the texture.

terry1337

adjusted that what you guys think did i use to many tri's? what can i change or is this ok?

Paunescu.Daniel

the 2 most outer rings, just where the poles are, don't seem to contribute to the shape so much, try and remove those and see what happens.

terry1337

adjusted the football working on a tennisracket and ball and tried to implement your critiques on my other models still got a few questions:
How do I get my poly count lower? And should I make the ball rounder?