Jumping into Realism

Davidskiwan

Hey, I'm a long time lurker in these forum's, love the work here, some truly legendary stuff. I've never really picked up the courage to post anything here but I think it's about time I did, especially with what I've been working on lately. I've only ever really done Dragonball Z models before (I know ) and I just wanna get away from anime and be able to create things I want now, not only to expand my portfolio but I think It's important to learn. So I thought I'd try modeling from some good references I collected a long time ago. I'd like some crits from you all and some pointers if you can, since I havent done anything real before I dunno if I'm going wrong anywhere.

here's the refs;


And the model:



The hair I'm planning on doing with alpha's though I dunno if this is the best thing to do. Im scared of the texturing, haven't done much realism skinning, so this'll be a first, I wanted to know what on the model I should change before I get that far.

Anyway hopefully you can help, if u feel like browsing my photbucket account feel free: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v148/davidskiwan/

Pedro Amorim

ahha, nice, i have that same ref here im my computer.

its looks pretty cool. i see some resemblance.

needs a cool texture now

Sharx

Nice work so far. Only thing I could think of is to tweak it a little more to make the features look a bit more dynamic, the shapes should stand out more. Also I think you need to take a look at the eyes again, the outside corners seem to be a little too far from the eyeballs, it looks that way to me anyway.

Rick Stirling

I'm not sure, but it looks like you modelled it in an ortho viewport.

That guy has a very full face, so the cheeks are actually very flat, and it's the weight of them pulling down that it forming the shape around the chin. You can't see his proper jawline in the photo coming from the chin to the ears since he is a bit jowly.

In your 3/4 view you've got a little dip under the cheek, but this is barely there due to the weight of his cheeks.


Also, check the position of the edges of the labial folds, they are more vertical in the picture.

Davidskiwan

Thanks for the crits guys, I've tried my best to make changes accordingly, hopefully its a bit better now =/ but i dunno... i dont like the flow.



any better? ugh, i dunno if i changed too much or what =\ been tweaking it all day.

btw, what do you mean by ortho viewport?

hawken

orthographic?

SteveM

Orthographic is a flat view port: (Front, Side, Back, Top, ect)

-SteveM

System

Orthographic viewports aren't flat as you see curvature in them by turning on smooth and highlights and then cutomise further. Best to use all views though for modelling and rotate around objects.

killingpeople

This thread is 2 years old.

adam

Ya seriously lol.. how'd this happen? Google searched something then posted?

Dr Stench

GCMP hit the right nail on the head though...

almighty_gir

not really, the ortho views are only really useful for blocking out to a reference, checking the silouhette looks ok in comparrison.

perspective is where 90% of the work should be done kid.

whipSwitch

haha, this is straight up something I would do, and not realize it until it was to late.....

Dr Stench

Doesn't take away that orthographic views are totally unimportant, right?

I mean you will have to use them if you want to model the guy on the photograph. That, I think, is also what he is trying to say.

System

Oh jesus, sorry guys I totally missed the date, keep doing that, it's the weird working hours that do it (feeble excuse) :poly136:

Farfarer

To add a comment to a resurrected topic; ortho views when using photographs aren't all that useful as exacting reference as the camera tends to be quite close to the subject when the photo's taken so there's a whole lot of parallax. You'll probably find that if you viewed his face from a truly ortho viewpoint, it'd look a lot wider.

super_villain

I rely on ortho view extensively, probably about 95.567% of the layout of my models are created that way. Don't see how you could efficiently model, say a car or plane, using only the perspective view port.