I'm not sure if there's a thread about this but i have to get this out. I cannot believe what's going on here. I thought the police brutality on the OWS movement was shocking and up hauling enough. But then our government turns around and SIGNS THE NDAA (creates the indefinite detention, interrogation, and assassination of…
The ACLU does not disagree with me, perhaps I just haven't explained this well enough. Misconception: This bill makes it legal for the president to detain U.S. Citizens indefinitely. Truth: This bill does not make it legal or illegal, it leaves the scope of the authority of the bill to the supreme court to decide. Or to…
Obama's reservations are for political show. During the debates about this bill the point was raised that there was no American exemption, Carl Levin (who drafted the ammendment) stated on the senate floor that the Obama administration explicitly asked him to remove the language precluding American citizens. And yes the…
Sean, I don't think anyone think you are stupid. I think it is more of a question of, how to read a law and see its possible uses, which is why everyone is allowed to do to fully know ones rights. I agree than *in theory*, someone not doing anything bad shouldn't have to worry about being imprisoned. But recently, even…
I fail to see what is so mind-blowingly absurd about that. Honestly. Did you read my other posts? The majority of people I know who are reacting to this are doing so because they assume that they will be walking down the street someday only to be thrown into the back of a black SUV, never to be seen again. So I made a…
Why is now suddenly the time? You're over a decade late to be concerned about indefinite detainment. I feel like a broken record here but: the NDAA does NOT state that Americans can be imprisoned indefinitely without trial, the issue is that the bill also does not state that they completely exempt. Critics argue that the…
When did Greevar say that our current predicament is the same as the holocaust? Here's greevar's quote: "First they came for the terrorists and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a terrorist. Then they came for the protesters and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a protestor. Then they came for the dissenters, and I…
The NDAA bill passed 86 to 14 in the senate and 283-136 in the House. Over the 2/3 majority needed to override presidential veto. Personally I think he should have just veto'd it anyway because given the outrage over the provisions it's possible that enough congressmen reversed their position on it. Even if it hadn't at…
It's one of those situations where it's ambiguous enough to give the government super-powers, and at the same time they can claim it's no biggie. Which means that, in reality, they're going to have to do it and wait for the supreme court to tell them they can't. If you don't believe that, then look at Obama's very own…