** WOLFENSTEIN **
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It's out. Go pick it up. Quite a few polycounters worked on this bad boy.
Cojax, Slum, General Vivi, Konstruct... Can't remember everyone else here at Raven that worked on it.
Congrats Fellas!!
Cojax, Slum, General Vivi, Konstruct... Can't remember everyone else here at Raven that worked on it.
Congrats Fellas!!
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Still a crying shame the MP is so poor
Endrant had lay offs today, on its release.
Will probably pick this up eventually.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/wolfenstein-multiplayer-team-axed-on-release-day
I may pick it up on Steam if it's available, and depending on how the SP reviews. I liked RTCW so if it's anything like that then I'll probably enjoy it!
Adam, you worked with Threewave which I presume was with the awesome sounding old MP they had planned (I read about the classes and stuff). The maps in the MP are spot on. I noticed one single tiny brush work error in the entire collection, and thats something to be proud of. They are also really well planned out, really cool.
I hope some awesome team steps up and makes a "classic" mode for it that gives me back my damn Thompson... Part of knowing what team is what is the gun sounds the MP4) and Thompson make...
Still waiting for our copies to come in. Can't wait to play it on my 360 at home, and not at work haha.
Yeah shame for Endrant, I'll pick this up if it seems like a good single player romp
Congrats
Gotta get my hands on this.
As for the Game congrats! Looks good!
All in all, so far at least, solid. Very solid, and ery nice looking, at least in motion. I would say its up there with Doom 3 easily, if not more so.
Multiplayer... Well, its the exact same thing as the Beta... So in other words, its shite, to the nth degree... But playing the SP, I notice that some things are from RtCW, which are different in the MP. Its almost like they made the MP worse just to be different? Its a strange feeling, but the SP game is classic RtCW, but the MP is just something bad, very bad... I dunno if its possible to mod all the classic stuff back in but I sure hope so because it could be a very intense game...
Oh yeah, and the MP uses a different engine, too. It uses the "ugly as fuck compared to the single player" build, I'm sure... Because the shadowing and lighting in the single player is sex.
All in all, give it a go, at least for the SP game. Its worth it for that alone. Just a shame the MP wasn't like the classic RtCW
After all the Wolf hating you've done on here and other places, I'm surprised to see this comment out of you. I appreciate that you gave it an honest look and put your perceptions of the fantastic marketing aside.
It was a long road, but I had a good time working on this game. I can't say enough about the team over at Raven who put this together, fine bunch of folks.
The reviews are pretty decent so far. Metacritic is sitting around 80 for all the consoles. Mostly bad points for the multiplayer.
Or maybe they had to make some concessions with lighting and FX in MP in order to have decent frame rate for multiple players on screen ...
It's true that the MP uses a different engine, and I believe the lighting solution was different (ie. no shadow maps or baked lightmaps), so it's understandable that it wouldn't look as good, even without accounting for any performance requirements.
I just beat The Church level, and I think its fair to say that every game from now on should have a Particle Cannon. Its the new Railgun.
EDIT: Oh and as for the "need to tone the graphics down" thing in MP, of course there is always that, its a lag thing more than anything... But the SP has a LOT going on.
Luckily Raven was able to save grace with the single player
Make sense now?
on teh subject of multiplayer. ugh totally different. choppy, the weapons take a million hits to killsomeone and the animations seem really jerky. I tried to play for more than 20 mins but after playing world at war recently where everything is smooth and polished I just couldnt do it.
First thing i noticed where the stencil shadows had gone and have been replaced with lovely soft shadows.
Did you guys re-write the renderer? It doesn't look like a Idtech4 game. Looks great.
Also is the AO realtime or is it baked?
Are you saying that the singleplayer uses stencil shadows? That these are stencil shadows? Not shadow maps?
Yes sir! Those are soft stencil shadows.
The renderer was practically rewritten entirely from what was seen on Doom3/Quake4/ETQW
In fact, the Multiplayer is using the ETQW engine which is dramatically different in terms of rendering.
Most notable difference is the use of a deferred rendering system, which allows for insane amounts of dynamic lights. You can have a few hundred lights with the only real concern being light overdraw (number of pixels on screen being lit by multiple lights)
Other stuff like realtime lofted splines (I used these on the particle cannon and tesla gun) as well as a really fast GPU particle system (allowing for assloads of particles on screen). Also you'll notice Havok running, and running well. Every explosion in the game has a havok impulse which moves/breaks props.
Here's a pretty cool article about the Wolf engine:
http://software.intel.com/sites/billboard/game-gallery/wolfenstein.php#/featured-article
And none of the lighting was baked-in using lightmaps? So all lighting is dynamic?
I really have to check out this game :P
I remember in Wofleinstein 3D a friend of my fell back out of his chair from getting so scared. He quit playing it after that (he's a pansy
The graphics aren't nearly as good, IMO as people seem to be exclaiming. The gameplay feels very samey. One of the main NPC's you encounter obviously has something done differently or incorrectly in the creation of his face/head asset since it reads totally differently than every other one in the game(its like his spec map is way overbright or something so he's perma-shiny). The bad disembodied FPS floaty feel, DESPITE the obtrusively overdone viewbob.
I suppose I got this initial rush of "awww man...this isn't nearly as cool as I thought it would be" and spent the remaining time pouring over it with a critical eye, rather than just enjoying myself and thinking critically after the fact.
I'm going to give it another few hours soon and give it another chance to change my mind.
I guess the worst insult I can hurl is: intensely pedestrian.
For a title with its legacy, expectations were high and were not met.
And I havent even played or factored in the Multiplayer (and dont care about it. I dont play MP)
Just finished it yesterday, after playing nearly non-stop for two days. I loved the chaotic, almost Call of Duty 2 feel to the action, and thought that overall there was a strong Indiana Jones-type vibe to it.
Not revolutionary, but really good fun and some of the death animations (and gruesomely bubbly accompanying sound effects) were top notch. Congrats to everyone that worked on it.