3D Ecroche
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Has anyone here ever attempted such a feat? Im wondering what the task would involve. Or more, how?
Skin inwards? How did they do Hollow Man? Im not looking for that complexity given these are commercial programs without super plugins. Internal organs wouldnt be needed. Just skeleton, muscle/fiber, then the skin/fat.
Would this give an art director a boner? Or more "Umm, a medical illustrator? That level of knowledge isnt needed." *goes back to modeling Mario.
Just something Im mulling. I would though be interested if anyone has done something like this. (Oh and did your computer choke on the polycount?)
Skin inwards? How did they do Hollow Man? Im not looking for that complexity given these are commercial programs without super plugins. Internal organs wouldnt be needed. Just skeleton, muscle/fiber, then the skin/fat.
Would this give an art director a boner? Or more "Umm, a medical illustrator? That level of knowledge isnt needed." *goes back to modeling Mario.
Just something Im mulling. I would though be interested if anyone has done something like this. (Oh and did your computer choke on the polycount?)
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Personally I wouldn't bother, it'd take bloody ages to do, and all it'd show is that you know anatomy very well, which a good highpoly human model should be able to show anyway.
And it might be useable in very high end animation where you want to simulate all the muscles and stuff.
Has anyone here ever attempted such a feat? Im wondering what the task would involve. Or more, how?
Skin inwards? How did they do Hollow Man? Im not looking for that complexity given these are commercial programs without super plugins. Internal organs wouldnt be needed. Just skeleton, muscle/fiber, then the skin/fat.
Would this give an art director a boner? Or more "Umm, a medical illustrator? That level of knowledge isnt needed." *goes back to modeling Mario.
Just something Im mulling. I would though be interested if anyone has done something like this. (Oh and did your computer choke on the polycount?)
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It'd probably just be easier to scan it in with an MRI or echo/sonogram machine, then build it from there than try and do it all yourself from scratch. But then this of course would require a person, an MRI or sonographic machine, and the machine to compute and create the 3D model. But so far I've only seen 3D models of hearts, and the circulatory system, but that could be because I'm just a file-clerk in a cardiologists office...however if I take the Medical Imaging class next semester at NYU I might find out more
That ZBrush ecorche is very nifty ... doing something like that, as Jaco said, would really be best in Zbrush, just make a base mesh then zbrush out the muscles and superficial bone structure.
Yea, its a teaching tool for me. I really want to know my anatomy well. Just knowing the surface doesnt really help with understanding whats going on below the surface to cause what the viewer is seeing. The very talented Clayburn Moore would never works with anyone (in example) unless they knew human anatomy.
I wanted to take a regular sculpture ecroche class recently, but because of schedule differences and mulah, I could never get it set up.
I'd have to sit down and have a good think about how I'd build this, but off the top of my head I think I would probably make the bone and muscle and skin in seperate layers in maya, keep them fairly low res but have them all fit together as closely as possible, then export to Zbrush as one object and show and hide and refine from there. It's actually a huge undertaking! Probably about the most complex thing you could find yourself having to build.
The surface of the muscles etc. is not important, the mass is because well you cant see that the muscles are like fibers through the skin you can just see the bulk.
And frankly i dont think it would take more time than modeling a "skin deep" body, might be even faster as you dont have to worry about the topology much.
And frankly i dont think it would take more time than modeling a "skin deep" body
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Hah, sounds like Toomas is offering up a challenge! Maybe I've misunderstood what oxy is trying to achieve here, but If you don't think building a model with muscle, bone, tendons and the entire outer layer of skin all fitting together perfectly and anatomically accurately would be anything other than a MASSIVE project I would love to see you try!
I agree that if you weren't worried about topology at all, you could probably rough a skeleton and the main muscle masses in, without too much trouble, but then refining for tendons and building the layers of fat and skin over the top of that would take a lot longer
http://www.freedom-of-teach.com/products/prod_category.php?sect=products&pid=cat_anatomy
If you could see it closeup you'd appreciate just how long it might take you to recreate digitally, and this thing doesn't even have a skin layer.
Im going to bug the sculptress again about the traditional ecroche. Then I wouldnt have to buy one of those
Anyway it was more the point that you're getting your "r" and "o" the wrong way round
do US keyboards have an ALT-GR key
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Nope.
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http://www.cdmedia-studio.com/anatomy_anim.html