Skeletor with normal map Head size vote~ :)

shincartoon · Dec 2005

Hello, everyone.

This is my very first post on the web.

I modeled this skeletor lowpoly in Maya and modeled the details with z-brush(normal map with the z-mapper plugin.)

the polycount is 3700 triangles with normal map.

Hope you guys like it.

Please comments and critics are greatly welcome.

System · Dec 2005

I love that tiny little head on top of his massive torso!
I do spot some weird glitches in the lighting though, can you do anything about this, or is it just a flaw in the rendering?

flachdrache · Dec 2005

May i just now the character more as you do - but please just browse through these photos : http://21361.com .

Beside the skull its all good and may it be the last time i say something about "it".

rooster · Dec 2005

I'm not so keen on the skull, it just looks a bit comical to me.. He didn't have a tiny head in the cartoon as far as I recall? Keep it going though man

edit: since its your first post on the net I'll elaborate a bit more on why I say that- when you tackle some subject matter that is part of many peoples childhoods then ask for crits, they are generally going to want to see it as close to the source as possible (which they know quite well)- unless you are purposefully going for a re-design based on the original concept. Doing that is cool but you'll need to say so- or it'll just be compared directly to the original. Hope I don't sound patronising there

Makkon · Dec 2005

I am Skeletor! Overlord of EVIL!

Looks great, dude. I like it.

Darksun · Dec 2005

Nah, the original cartoon didn't have a small skull, but the new toys kind do. I like this, I'd love to see him with all the trimmings!

hawken · Dec 2005

if you plan to make Skeletor naked, which is bizarre enough in it's self, why not give the poor man a shlong? I mean, he has to have at least one credible asset to his name.

and I wish the word "bizarre" had two Z's and one R.

CheeseOnToast · Dec 2005

Not bad at all, but I think he's suffering a bit from Zbrush blobitis. Could you sharpen up some of the creases with the pinch tool? You'll get a crisper normal map out of it too.

Dio · Dec 2005

Skull is too small, the thumb size seems small for the hand size, the abdominal muscles read too bubbly, and the inner thigh lacks definition. Those easily addressed issues aside it looks great. As always I would like to see a wireframe and I hope to see Skeletor fully realized.

Nappa · Dec 2005

althought the thread say Skeletor on it i think he looks like atomic skull all in all like the model never knew he was that buff

shincartoon · Dec 2005

Wow! Thank you all for your critics!

mighty pea Thank you. About the weird glitches I think that they come from me not knowing the best settings for the z mapper. It was the first time I used it and I still love it! but have to look more into the plugin settings.
flachdrache thanks for the pics they are great reference.
rooster thank you very much for your consideration. The skeletor I made is more toward the 2000 toyline. Although I grew up as a child loving the old Masters of the Universe series... I think that the new version has a little more in the armor gear...
Thanks Makkon hope you also like the armor when it is finished.
Darksun This was actually a anatomy study for me also. So I tried to keep the anatomy realistic as possible but still maintaining the comical proportion. Sorry about the small head... it actually gets covered up by his hood.
hawken of course I will model his gear lol the shlong is something that I always wonder how much of it should be modeled... most of the time I leave it out...
CheeseOnToast Thanks! I haven't used much of the pinch in z-brush but I deffinetly will use it now.
Dio Thank you for the critics they are very important ones and I will re model all of them.
Nappa Thank you for your critic. In my memory skeletor is very buff because of those 80's toys which were walking muscle balls lol.

I am still working on the high version of the body. Still have to finish the foot arms... and tweak all the body. but here is a shot of how I think the armor will look.

Toomas · Dec 2005

I like the small skull, gives him more character somehow.

Makkon · Dec 2005

Hey, the outfit looks just like him too! Home run, dude!
You have such a deep understanding of clean polyflow and poly usage.

System · Dec 2005

The armour looks quite nice allready, it really brings out the skeletor i grew up with, and i think the tiny skull is still a great stylistic addition to it.
Also, may i remind everyone about commas, full stops, exclamation marks (wait, maybe not that one), and question marks?
I don't know why, but this thread seems to attract illiterate people. And while nationality may often be a good defense in these kind of things, i'm fairly certain your language has interpunction, just as much as english does.

let's take a look at Nappa's comment, shall we?:
althought the thread say Skeletor on it i think he looks like atomic skull all in all like the model never knew he was that buff

Hmm... my head hurts a little from trying to understand that, but allow me to make some suggestions, based on my newfound understanding of this interesting interpunction-less english:

Although (capital letter, no t at the end) the thread says (ends in s) Skeletor on it, (comma, so everyone can breathe and continue reading with renewed energy. the way you write, they need it) I (capital I, allthough i never do this myself either) think he looks like 'Atomic Skull' (i take it this is another cartoon-character, so he needs capital letters, and some floaty stripey thingies wouldn't hurt either). (full stop! everybody breathe easy, aaand here we go again!) All (capital letter) in all I (you) like the model, although (comma, allthough) I (you) never knew he was that buff.

tadaa! that's how it's done.
As for those wanting to flame my efforts, laced with condescending sarcasm as they may have been, please don't. I merely tried to be humorous as i (possibly inadequatly, because english is not my mothertongue) educated them on my good friend: interpunction.
Sorry for the thread hijack!

pogonip · Dec 2005

Good start..I think it's gonna be really kick ass when you are done

shincartoon · Dec 2005

Thank you Toomas! I think the head looks ok with the hood on.
Very encouraging words Makkon! You give me hope!:)
Well said mighty pea! My english writting skills are pretty bad also... I will try my best.

Thank you pogonip. I hope I can finish him soon.

dfacto · Dec 2005

Seeing the thick hood, I can understand why he has a peanut head, but I'd think that having a larger head and a thinner hood would be better, because right now he just looks stupid. Tiny heads that size and realistic anatomy just don't mix, at least not for me. Otherwise everything looks very good. Excellent model.

dejawolf · Dec 2005

you're saying a buffed up blue bodied half gay skeleton,wearing undies does NOT look a tad bit silly?

fab model btw, remember my little brother stole it from a toystore and opened the package so my mother HAD to buy it, lol. GO TINY HEAD

oh btw, look, commas punctuation, and my ancestry is not even remotely english!

shincartoon · Jan 2006

Thank you so much for you comments and critics dfacto I think that the time has come for a head size vote

dejawolf Thank you so much for your picture and comments. Also your memory of skeletor figure lol~~!

Now

VOTE TIME

Before I change anything else on this guy

I think the head size is the biggest problem.

Could you Please choose the head size that you like best?

You can just say A, B, C or between A and B... or Bigger than A~~

Thank you

Happy New Year~~!!!

cholden · Jan 2006

I like the bigger head, A, on the body without the armor, but with the hood, the small head looks fine. I have a few skeletors around here, and the smaller head in hood is how he looks.

dfacto · Jan 2006

Definitely A.

I mean, imagine you're fighting with C, and he's kicking your ass Skeletor style, and all the sudden he's got you by the throat and you're face to peanut head with him. You're gonna die, but how could you not laugh at someone with a head the size of your fist?

A looks nice and menacing, and a thin hood would give the same overall look you've got going with the small head.

shotgun · Jan 2006

ye bigger head
but per128 really sux

EarthQuake · Jan 2006

number A!
yes per sux, omg, lolez and so on and so forth.

oXYnary · Jan 2006

Os part of the problem that a skull head does look smaller in comparison to a fleshed head anatomically in RL? I guess just overemphasize it. I like B personally. With the cap, it will look big as it is.

dejawolf · Jan 2006

B. A looks too generic.

rooster · Jan 2006

I vote A, or a size inbetween A and B. If you have some ortho shots though maybe you should post them, and we can all stfu if your model is spot on with the reference

Steakhouse · Jan 2006

Small head. It's got personality, not to mention a bone to pick with the world for being born with a miniature brain dome.

shincartoon · Jan 2006

Thank you all for taking time and voting for the head size of my model. This is Great help to me. I really do think that your critics about the head size is very important. What matters most is what people think about the final result. If people think that the head is too small than I must fix it.

Here is the side view I used as reference.... it really wasn't the best in the world...

Even though the head is kind of small on the picture I did NOT follow the pic exactly. Please do not stop to vote just because the head of the figure is small in the pic.

I think that a job of a modeler is not only having the skills to model exactly as the reference but to improve the model and make it look even better than the reference.

Here is a photo I found on the internet comparing the old Skeletor figure and the new Skeletor figure. I still like the old one better.

Michael Knubben · Jan 2006

C! C! C!

cc babcock!

Jerome · Jan 2006

I'm going with pea on this one, I personally like c best. The small head gives him a very interesting look, lots of character as was said before. Oh, are you gonna make that sweet staff he is weilding(sp?)?

sinistergfx · Jan 2006

Old skeletor looks like an angry midget.

New skeletor looks pretty badass.

So I guess they brought He-Man back? I didn't know.

Darksun · Jan 2006

C ~oob!~

shincartoon · Feb 2006

Hi, everyone I hope you remember Skeletor...

I decided to go between head size A and B

Hope you guys like him

rooster · Feb 2006

aah brilliant that works a treat! what are his final specs?
you got to stick him in quake4 now right

btw I don't think your renders are as flattering as they could be, the gradient with compression looks a bit poop

. Im sure the model could shine even more

chico · Feb 2006

ROLFMAO - that's pretty neat man
captured the volume of the character pretty well- now do Adam:)

chico

swampbug · Feb 2006

Give that baby some texture.. he looks to be solid colors.

good work though.. you did him great justice.

shincartoon · Feb 2006

Thanks for the kind replies guys :-)

rooster the curent render is Maya Hardware render witch really sucks... I'm trying to get it to look good in mental ray but it's taking me some time.... If I can't get it to work I will take it to Max and see what I can do :-)

chico Thanks dude I guess I can use the same body and just model Adam's head like the old he man toys did :-)

swampbug oh the textures... yeah. I really have to work more on them. Right now he looks really cell shaded... Thanks man! :-)

kleinluka · Feb 2006

Zergxes · Feb 2006

I think you definately made the right choice.

I caught wind of the survey a bit too late, but I think the smallest head would work if he had used some whack growth formula to grow himself 30 ft high. Holy crap, I think I just wrote an episode.

shincartoon · Mar 2006

haha that picture really rules kleinluka.

Thank you for your cool comment Zergxes. Now that I look at it the small head was really dumb. :-)

Scott Ruggels · Mar 2006

Perfect.

Scott

Corry Frydlewicz · Mar 2006

Head looks great ^^

I was gonna vote A, but the slightly smaller with the hood looks perfect.

shincartoon · Mar 2006

Thank you Scott and Corry for your kind comments^^

I am currently working on a more realistic character.

Could you please critique him for me?

Scott Ruggels · Mar 2006

Can we see a straight sideways shot of the model? Daz could help you more in the edgeflow and edgelops around the face, but in the shaded view, but the feet look a tad wide. The lower legs in general seem a tad thick.

Scott

Skeletor with normal map Head size vote~ :)

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