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hillary clinton introduces new bill

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http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=7341

okay seems she wants to make it illegal to sell m rated games to kids(like boose or ciggarettes).. doesnt seem that bad.. but the esa is against this..so i am thinking there is more to it.. i am wondering what other guidlines she is planing on hiding in the bill..
thoughts??

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  • KDR_11k
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    I think the ESA is against this because it's not illegal to sell R rated movies to kids.
  • arshlevon
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    it looks like it might be how much control the government wants in the games industry..like Annual Analysis of the Ratings System.. it seems if it went into place the government would have ful control over the ratings if they didnt like anything about them.. and giving them that kind of control over a creative medium could prove to be a bad idea and put america back some 500 years into the dark ages were we had no choice in what we created or what creations we were allowed to partake in..
  • JonMurphy
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    Funny, we have sort of control here in the UK, doesn't seem to stifle our creativity. GTA being made in the UK and all that wink.gif The BBFC didn't care about the Hot Coffee mod, as the content was already covered by the rating the game received.

    Controlling what kids see and experience gives adults the freedom to see more.

    Of course, it still doesn't stop irresponsible parents buying Death Murder Kill 6 for little Billy so he stops whining.
  • Weiser_Cain
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    Yeah, but you guys are a bunch of perverts. There's a strong prude backbone here so it probably would have a much greater effect.
  • arshlevon
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    people in europe are more open minded in general.. see sex is evil in america.. it was perfectly fine for little billy to kill people for no reason and commit everycrime in the world.. but SEX!!!! holy crap!!! sex!!! filthy filthy titty!!!! nasty nasty nasty!!! MONSTERS!! YOU MONSTERS!! YOU PUT SEX IN IT!! that is how we think in america.. the problem is not so much keeping it out of kids hands.. yes a properly enforced rating system will do that.. but if the government decided for some reason katimari is too violent for kids and slaps an AO on there that means wallmart isnt gong to sell it, blockbuster isnt going to rent it and your only going to find the game on the darkest corners of the internet.. that means the game wont sell.. that means only games that walmart will sell "family orenited" games will be ones that companies will make.. who decides that? hilary fucken clinton.. what a cunt.. if americans had common sense like that sex isnt as bad as killing people.. cause to hilary it is.. then a government enforced system would be okay by me..maybe thats why ol billy has to get BJs from low grade monsters posing as interns.. casue sex is worse than killing!!! and selling drugs.. all of wich were no problem with under the current rating system.. throw a titty in there and we are taking this whole industry over.. its just ridiculous.. the more i think about it the more i want to rape her up the nose and cum on her bad ideas..
    stupid cunt
  • Rick Stirling
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    I thought you were saying she had a new fella with the same name.
  • Ruz
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    'i want to rape her up the nose and cum on her bad ideas..

    make sure you wear protection. perhaps a handerchief tied around the 'old man'
  • Nerd Groupie
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    [ QUOTE ]
    I thought you were saying she had a new fella with the same name.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    Me too, I was very much expecting a humorous article and/or video.
  • killingpeople
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    the us government has more important things to be worrying about than "empowering parents" by making dumb shit illegal. the less control over general freedoms the government has, the better. hillary clinton is a bimbo.
  • ElysiumGX
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    I hope she isn't the democratic candidate in 2008. As much as I want to see a democrat in office, please not her. and that's not because she looks like a women.
  • Kevin Albers
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    I think she is only trying to build political goodwill among conservative, fearfull voters. I used to sort of like her, but now I'm pretty much just hoping she retires from politics.
    There is NO WAY she will end up being the democratic candidate for president, though she may try for a while.
  • AstroZombie
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    [ QUOTE ]
    I hope she isn't the democratic candidate in 2008.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    Me too, although only because of the fact that she doesn't stand a chance at winning the presidency.
  • jzero
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    JohnMurphy has it, why can the UK deal with Rockstar's product, and we Yanks can't?

    What we're dealing with here the US is a serious problem of cultural myopia. Specifically, the complete misperception of what media is "for kids". We have grappled with this problem for decades, as it's been applied to different media at different times. The general public will think that one or another type of media is 'for kids', and then public outrage, or fascination, will follow when it's discovered that 'they' put adult-level material in something that's supposed to be 'for kids'.

    Like comic books. Twenty years ago, you couldn't throw a rock without hitting a news article about how this guy Frank Miller made this Batman comic that was really... R-rated! Gosh, the journalists could be heard echoing across the landscape, comics aren't just for kids anymore! As if people over the age of 17 had just recently started reading comics. And did you know, they would say, in Japan they have comics that adults actually read! That kind of gee-whiz-no-duh perception became boring in its repetition.

    One of the best examples of this is the fact that clueless parents have routinely taken their pre-teens to see the 'Child's Play' series of movies, because it has a little doll in it. Never mind that it's Rated R to begin with, never mind that the doll in question gets possessed by a homicidal maniac -- it must be for kids, because "it has a little doll in it."

    Video games have the same problem. There was an ABC news blip yesterday morning about how the video games ratings are under scrutiny, and they essentially got it right, that the ratings are good, but enforcement terrible. However, the way Barbara Walters teased the blip ahead of commercials played right to the 'video games are for kids' belief, portraying the item to come as a report on what NOT to buy your kids for Christmas -- as they played a snippet of a blood-gusher scene from Stubbs The Zombie. Which completely mischaracterized their own reporting, and fed into the popular stupidity. Oh, an irresponsible news media? Sorry, that's an American tradition, too. (Here's the video clip -- watch how the on-camera guy calls himself a 'so-called adult', as if video games mark you as immature -- as opposed to, say, football?)

    I think this kind of political uproar based on misperception is one of the primary motivators behind the game ratings legislation, and that's not good. Because the foundations of these opinions are just plain wrong.

    Practical idea toward a solution: The MPAA gets into it and loans out their ratings system to the ESRB, whereupon Mario becomes rated 'G', and Halo, Half-Life, and GTA become 'Rated R', and a system that most Americans understand goes into use. Dumb as hell, but it would help fix the retail problem, in the same way it now influences movie theaters.

    /jzero
  • Mark Dygert
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    Too bad the people voting FOR this kind of bill are partents who want nothing more than to pawn off responsablity on anyone willing to take it.

    - Mother: "oh look dear, a bill that makes us less involved in our childerns lives and less responsible. We should vote for it!"
    - Father: "Whatever makes my life easier!"
    - Mother: "I doubt our childern will be less psychotic, and little Timmy will still kill all his classmates like he spelled out in his blog last week."
    - Father: "True, but they won't be able to sue us hahahah!" "Now if you'll excuse me I have to leave my gun cabnet wide open before I go to work"
  • AstroZombie
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    In some ways, I think this could be a good thing:

    If kids under 17 can no longer buy M-rated games, that means that their parents have to buy them for them. Where are the grounds for a lawsuit agains devs/publishers/retailers if someone is claiming that a kid commited suicide or killed someone from a game that they had to have thier parents buy for them? It actually places the responsibility back where it belongs in the first place - negligent parents.
  • arshlevon
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    i agree with you astro, if thats all the bill was.. that would be peachy.. but giving them the right to hijack the whole process at any given time they felt nessary to enoforce strict government censorship is not cool... and this bill in no way shape or form cancels out or makes the preivious bill that holds game manufactures responsible for thier content invalid.. it just adds even more restrictions to the ever growing list..parents will still catch zero heat when their kid goes columbine..
  • oXYnary
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    You know what gets me? The game industry is going to need more and more political connections. Yet, the only two choices they will see is black and white (rep vs dem). Yet, the problem is neither of these two sides respects the entertainment freedom. SO in instead of saying investing their political strong arm into a third party that supports separation like (even thouh they irk me) Libertarians. They will just push money into both of the two main parties which get closer and closer to the same psychotic (in that they say X for one group of people and Y for another) viewpoints.
  • arshlevon
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    how does porn get away with it?? i mean i can right now with no parental supervision what so ever go watch a girl force fed a foot and a half of cock for free and then a torrential downpour of semen dumped upon her head as she blows bubbles in it no problem.. but i cant go pay for a game the has titties hidden in it someplace.. the fact that sex is so easily obtainable at the moment makes me think there has to be something bigger the government is trying to do here.. becuase just blaming it on sex,(thats what was hidden and what we dont want kids to see)is a load of crap..any kid can see sex or violence under any parents nose if they wanted to.something stinks here about all of this.. the more i think about it the less sense it makes..
  • flaagan
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    it's a political agenda on hillary's part to win over votes should she try for the presidency.
  • arshlevon
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    Doug Lowenstein, the president of the Entertainment Software Association (ESA) tells hillary ,
    "Thanks for letting us all your a cunt. Too bad we already knew that you dumb whore"

    http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=7343
  • jzero
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    You can't pass legislation that will MAKE people pay attention. To ANYTHING.

    Oxynary : Political connections? Here's the most chilling thing I've read on the matter yet. This is Allen varney writing in a past issue of The Escapist:
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    First, the industry must quiet the "Hot Coffee" noise while it crafts a new image. Some politicians occasionally take stands on principle, but fortunately, the current anti-game demagogues are routine opportunists. Buying legislators grows more efficient (if not cheaper) with each passing administration. Publishers can shut off the Congressional heat with campaign contributions to the noisiest grandstanders.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    "Buying legislators..." Oh my God. What he's talking about is not only legal, but workable, and actually commonplace. Oh, the humanity.

    /jzero
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