Potential Bill against Game Devs
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Sounds like a load of crap to me. Everyone wants to push off blame IMO.
I can just imagine all of this is going to be grouped with that.
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/crime/kids-kill-teen-with-mortal-kombat-moves-034678.php
Sounds like a load of crap to me. Everyone wants to push off blame IMO.
I can just imagine all of this is going to be grouped with that.
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/crime/kids-kill-teen-with-mortal-kombat-moves-034678.php
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"There's a very strong video game industry in this state that we want to support. We don't want to bring undo attention to an area where there's actually jobs being created, where there's actually some good economic development in our state"
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What I wanna know is: Is it the speaker, or the journalist that can't spell "undue"?
"If you sit up and watch this and play these games over and over again... it seems that this is alright to walk up and hit a police officer over the head with a bat," Hanson said.
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I don't get it, games brainwash you? Or do they somehow take away you're ability to disginguish right from wrong? I still think it's the same case every time since columbine, and it's that you're not being looked after by family and they aren't raising you to know what's wrong and what isn't. I've been playing violent video games since they were released and I don't have an ounce of violence in me.
What I wanna know is: Is it the speaker, or the journalist that can't spell "undue"?
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ZING!
Or a teen pregnancy case blamed on romance novels
Once, just once, I wanna see one of these kids blame it on, say, 'Cryptonomicon' by Neal Stephenson. "I tried to get through it, I really did... But I just couldn't take it. The twenty-pound black tome frustrated me to no end, so I clubbed little billy over the head with it."
Or a teen pregnancy case blamed on romance novels
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i'll sue the internet for these stains on my sheets
I don't get it, games brainwash you? Or do they somehow take away you're ability to disginguish right from wrong?
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BAM!
Bypassing Conscious Control
http://www.warwick.ac.uk/staff/S.L.Hurley/papers/bypasssing%20conscious%20control.doc
So if they can prove somehow that playing violent games produces some sort of intoxicated high that causes the individual's distinguishing of reality to falter. Then they have a case and lets open the floodgates to more Patriot Acts and the bandwagon of censorship.
But based off the case of the kids. Its been proven that hormonal imbalances in teenagers cause them to become detached from reality or perceive situations differently and make poor decisions. Or at least that is what Dr. Natalia Hughson claims, and I would tend to believe someone who expertise is psychology and PediaCare.
Then lets take a look at another case that my Aunt told me about. Two kids 17 and 18 where out drinking and driving when they saw a guy on a bike. The got out of their car and pulled the guy off the bike. They then took the bike and drove off. After awhile they decided to ditch the bike to go back and beat the guy. When they got back the cops had arrived to take a report at the scene when the kids showed up and got caught. When asked why they did it, they said they learned it from playing Grand Theft Auto Vice City. What my Aunt failed to notice is that they where out drinking and probably intoxicated with a depressant.
But the game got the blame, as kids today now know that its a good excuse to avoid complete blame. Kids are smart enough to know dating and popular politics and argue the fact that they want to be treated like adults but without the adult punishment. And make their own decisions, then the adolescent gamer is cognitive enough to recognize that the escapism in the game is what it is. But the sad truth here, is the kids pointing the blame at games or others often dont care what they are truly saying as they think ultimately it doesnt effect them.
Did GTA threaten to beat you or take itself away if you dont act retarded and steal a vehicle and run the owner over with the vehicle. Going to Skinners Positive reinforcement the only reward I can see out of this is the self-pant (ego induce) on the back that you did something rebellious. Which to me, this is a clear sign that the individual who acts out something they saw in games or on the screen needs psychological help. They are suffering a form of schizophrenia where they have allowed an outside influence to dictate their reality. And they have an issue of asserting themselves as individuals. Sounds like their still kids and need to be held back a grade in order to grow up.
But thats enough of my rant.
For those same people - for example - to take responsibility for the actions of others "related" to that media is another thing entirely. A case has to be made of a rock-solid line of direct cause-->effect or there ain't no case at all.
Seriously, this is as insane as the INDUCE act. It's overbroad and can be triggered so easily it has the potential to kill the entire medium. But I guess that's exactly what those neophobe nutcases want.
Also, if they are going to old game devs responisble, then they should also hold the MPAA and RIAA responsible for making movies and music that affect people.
I know I wanted to murder some people after watching Catwoman.
America sucks balls now, too many uptight anal retentive fuckfaces running the country.
No thought is ever given to the outrageous pathological reasoning of the person committing the crime. It's not like GTA alters your brain to make you lose the knowledge that beating someone to death with a bat is 'wrong action'. You have to approach GTA with your wrong thinking already in place.
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And that is exactly the kind of impulsive thought that murders classmates.
Case CLOSED.
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This isn't even a rare occurance. Once, it was rock & roll. I'm sure some of you have seen the famous clip of the DJ at KWK smashing a vinyl LP and declaring "rock and roll has got to go!" Maybe it's listening to Ozzy Osbourne that makes kids kill. Once, it was comic books that were poisoning children's minds. Look into Fred Wertham's "Seduction of the Innocent." Maybe it's 12 issues of Batman a year that makes kids kill. Once, it was Dungeons & Dragons that was driving kids to madness. Read about the organization BADD, or any of the Jack Chick propaganda. Maybe it's rolling dice with an elven archer that makes kids kill. Once, and most recently, it was movies that were to blame. A lawsuit over this was once filed against the distributors of 'The Basketball Diaries.' Maybe a couple hours with a DVD from Blockbuster makes kids kill. Books have *always* been a great source of this complaint. 'Catcher in the Rye' is implicated in more murders than I can actually recall. Even today, Harry Potter books get banned in bible-belt states because of this attitude.
There have been bullshit excuses for why kids act as they do since time immemorial. You'll notice that the target of blame often changes, usually relative to what the previous generation grew up with. Why aren't rock music and comic books to blame anymore? Because the parents of today's kids grew up with them. Why won't video games be used to blame kids in fifteen years? Because the parents then will be the kids who grew up with games today. The next generation's excuse will be whatever new media culture arises that the parents can't relate to. This hamster wheel has been spinning in America for over a century. Remember, we once banned *alcohol* because it was to blame for our societal ills! As a culture, America blames anything it can rather than encourage taking personal responsibility. In all the instances of all of the kids who have shot up schools or killed for fun or anything else, have you ever once - just once! - heard any parent take responsibility for raising a fucked up kid? That's your common factor, gentlemen. Not all kids play video games. Not all watch movies. Not all listen to music. But all are born of a mother and father, and all are raised, in some fashion or another, by adults responsible for their maturity and well-being. If parents do their jobs, kids can grow up playing video games and watching movies and listeing to music without turning into cold-blooded killers.
This is common sense, and America does not wish to hear it.
People look for the quickest explanation for anything that goes wrong, and they cling to it, even if it's not the correct explanation. It's just the tendency to associate things that are similar. Don't make me invoke the name of Frederic Wertham again. Oops, just did.
Malekyth: Case not closed. As Verm said, you didn't act on your impulse, and why? 'Cause it was wrong, and you had the maturity and the psychiatric health to understand that. It's not the thought that 'murders classmates' -- it's the action taken based on that thought. Klebold and Harris planned the Columbine massacre for a good while beforehand, more time than any normal person should need to rethink that very wrong decision. And certainly more time than anyone should need to consider consequences, something that I find is the biggest psychiatric disability facing humanity.
Now, I will allow that for the first few days of playing GTA3, it did have a certain effect on my world perception. But it had to do with driving. There was a time while, I was first getting accustomed to the driving interface, when other cars in GTA3 would hit me almost routinely. This made me somewhat more cautious at intersections in the real world. So I was literally made more cautious, not less, by GTA3. At least briefly.
Does that, in contrast to your account, demonstrate a difference in our personal attitudes? I think so.
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I didnt do those things. As soon as I thought of them, I chuckled at how silly it that my brain was suggesting game activities in reality.
Yes, I played a lot of Deus Ex and other FPS & RTS games, but I've never shot anybody, or stolen a car, etc.
Does that, in contrast to your account, demonstrate a difference in our personal attitudes? I think so.
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Of course I appreciate the time it took to pounce on an opportunity and all, but Jesus fuck, does a post that tries to prove the lethal consequences of GTA by recollecting how I thought about taking a shortcut across someone's lawn once, really require a "just kidding" disclaimer? Please say it ain't so!
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This is the Intertron, after all. People say stuff like that out there all day long. And mean it.
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