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80% of U don't know how dangerous the internet IS

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Criminals hijack consumers' PCs by the thousands every day and use them to do their dirty work. Armies of zombies, for example, are now regularly used to attack Web sites and extort their owners.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6560512/

I try to convince people of this at work, but they look at me like I'm paranoid....even though I've fixed their infected computers about a half a dozen times.

http://www.winpatrol.com
http://soho.sygate.com/products/spf_standard.htm
http://free.grisoft.com/freeweb.php/doc/1/
http://www.microsoft.com

Alot of these problems can be avoided, paticularly when all the stuff you need is free.

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  • KDR_11k
    I have almost everything on your list. No personal firewall ATM because I got one at router level. You forgot the obligatory "do not use Internet Explorer and/or Outlook Express/Outlook", which is another thing most security companies will tell you (even governments!)
  • gauss
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    gauss polycounter lvl 12
    i think us type people are more aware than general population, which is absolutely daft about security concerns on the internet. and KDR's right, it's amazing how few people don't know that your best bet is just to stop trouble before it starts and use different software.
  • Sett
    I agree that you should protect your comp. Firewall,Viral suff,etc. But that article, jezz. They make it sound like every computer is daisy-chained and if one falls to l33tz0mb3haxor//OMGROFLBBQPLO they will all fall domino style.

    AND.. if just give up a bit of your personal privacy you will be protected! Hurm.. Where have I heard that before?
    Gotta like that ad for AOL tacked on to the end too.

    Zombies indeed.
  • NoSeRider
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cyberwar/view/

    Most of the content of that MSNBC article seems to be lifted off of the above Frontline Video about Cyber Wars.

    This is not a new idea, just that people are not concerned about it.........however, these are the same people that have a shitload of spyware on their computers.

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    They make it sound like every computer is daisy-chained and if one falls to l33tz0mb3haxor//OMGROFLBBQPLO they will all fall domino style.

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    That's exactly what happens. They ain't seeking an individual but rather making an army to subdue an opponent.
  • KDR_11k
    You know, a BIG part of the no-interaction worms are a result of Microsoft's insecure software. E.g. why the hell did the RPC take orders from the net unchecked? Why the hell does ActiveX even exist? Why does Windows use the insecure system of enabling everything by default and expecting the user to acquire the knowledge to know what and how to remove? Other software doesn't provide so many vulnerabilities suitable for automated exploitation.
  • Mishra
    HO MAH GOD ITS E-TERRORISM. damn you osama recycle-bin laden.
  • Thermidor
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    Thermidor polycounter lvl 11
    Use Linux and firefox on a system that gets attached to the internet , and firwall the ass of your system .... this is what i would do if i could be bothered .. as for sp2 and its securety enhancments , its about 5 years too late ...

    Kdr is dead right about the useless holes in security there is in ms products and os
  • NuclearTes
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    NuclearTes polycounter lvl 15
    You're right, a lot of people are not aware of the fact their computers are under constant attack. I've tried to convince someone to at least use a firewall and antivirus software. After lots of pressure he installed a firewall...

    As for my own saftey: I have a firewall, antivirus software, WinPatrol and several trustworthy antispyware tools. I also took some other safety measures to protect my PC.
  • ElysiumGX
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    ElysiumGX polycounter lvl 16
    I have AVG and Spybot: Search and Destroy. I've had a good HOST file for a long time now. And IE has ActiveX disabled.
    All my ports are in stealth. I'm probably still prone to some attacks, but I've had no trouble over the past 3 years. It may be a good idea for me to install the programs you all have listed as well.

    Computers owned by friends and family have none of the above. I spent most of Thanksgiving trying to remove an "apole.exe" process on my neighbors computer that constantly uses about 90% of the CPU. I can't find info about it anywhere, so I have no idea what it's doing. WeatherBug and Gain is stuck on it as well. Their computer is barely usable, and they've only had it a few months.
  • NoSeRider
    http://www.winpatrol.com

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    Increase Your Speed & System Performance.
    Defeat the JPEG Exploit and Vulnerability!
    Detect & Neutralize Spyware. Detect & Neutralize ADware.
    Detect & Neutralize Viral infections. Detect & Neutralize Unwanted IE Add-Ons.
    Detect & Restore File Type Changes Automatically Filter Unwanted Cookies.
    Avoid Start Page Hijacking. Detect HOSTS file changes.
    Kill Multiple Tasks that replicate each other, in a single step!
    Stop programs that repeatedly add themselves to your Startup List!
    Delete and Remove the most Stubborn Infections

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    That's why you should install Winpatrol
  • Frankie V
    For the most part the same people that are causing the problems are the same ones that buy a car and have no idea how to open the hood. Fair enough that they really don’t need to know if they are the type of person that just takes it in for servicing or has the gas jockey check the oil but something really needs to be done on the manufacture/software developer end to save “use” all against those that all they want to do is surf the net and not become hackers extraordinaire.

    I think that it is maybe time to start heading the other way in regards to software development and particularly the operating system. I figure that 90% of the users online at any given time don’t really need the full power that is being offered by some of the current operating systems available. A better plan might be to offer a “basic” operating system with out the bells and whistles and allow the user to decided what they want when the want it. Another idea is a babysitting program where the user can subscribe to a service that will monitor their system for anytime unusual. Sure there is a privacy issue but I’m sure my mom for one would love to have things set up in such a way where she does not have to worry about virus or spyware.
  • Thermidor
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    Thermidor polycounter lvl 11
    in my experience, most ppl that get spyware are looking at porn , or opening and executing mail ... thats just how most of the pcs i fix are ..
  • Rick Stirling
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    Rick Stirling polycounter lvl 14
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    http://www.winpatrol.com

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    Increase Your Speed & System Performance.
    Defeat the JPEG Exploit and Vulnerability!
    Detect & Neutralize Spyware. Detect & Neutralize ADware.
    Detect & Neutralize Viral infections. Detect & Neutralize Unwanted IE Add-Ons.
    Detect & Restore File Type Changes Automatically Filter Unwanted Cookies.
    Avoid Start Page Hijacking. Detect HOSTS file changes.
    Kill Multiple Tasks that replicate each other, in a single step!
    Stop programs that repeatedly add themselves to your Startup List!
    Delete and Remove the most Stubborn Infections

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    That's why you should install Winpatrol

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    noserider, thanks for the heads up.

    I'm been using AV software for years, and onc I got broadband about 4 years ago I had a firewall installed within days. I can remember it, installing Zonealarm and seeng the number of attempted attacks.

    The last PC I bought outright came with Norton AV and internet Security, and after I had paid for my first subscription I ditched both products in favour of Zonealarm and AVG again.
  • Rick Stirling
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    Rick Stirling polycounter lvl 14
    "For the most part the same people that are causing the problems are the same ones that buy a car and have no idea how to open the hood"

    But in this day and age, the amount than an untrained person can do to the car engine is minimal. Its not the days where a pair of filthy wummans knikcers will fi a fanbelt. There are no fan belts.
  • NoSeRider
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    I turn off every program that contacts the internet, except for AVG Anti Virus. The way I figure it why would I want a program to contact the internet if I'm not contacting it myself?

    Basically, internet usage should be flat lined, inactive, if you're not using it.

    I use Internet Explorer because Winpatrol generally fights any exploits Explorer encounters. Winpatrol was built to protect IE exploits.....and now Winpatrol protects Mozilla too.
  • NuclearTes
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    NuclearTes polycounter lvl 15
    @Thermidor:[ QUOTE ]
    in my experience, most ppl that get spyware are looking at porn , or opening and executing mail ... thats just how most of the pcs i fix are ..

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    Not only the persons who are looking for porn, warez, or open/execute unsafe mail are infected with spyware. Visiting sites hosted on 'free' webhosts can be very dangerous, but visiting other sites can be a security risk aswell. A lot of people are looking for free software products, but although there are a lot of good programs around, there are many programs contaminated with spyware aswell. Some of these contaminated programs are even pretending to protect your computer from spyware/adware!

    You might want to check this list with evil 'anti-spyware' tools: http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm
  • ElysiumGX
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    ElysiumGX polycounter lvl 16
    Nice! I installed Winpatrol on my nieghbors' PC. One of the processes listed alerted AVG. So after deleting one trojan, and several other unknown processes, their PC is running smooth again.
  • NoSeRider
    https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

    If you really want to test the vulnerability of your system, go to the above URL.

    Goto the ShieldsUP!! Services

    Click on the Grey Buttons for: File Sharing, Common Ports and All Service Ports.

    I achieved a perfect score....most likely because I turned off all the MS executible programs that contact the internet automatically.
  • NuclearTes
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    NuclearTes polycounter lvl 15
    @NoSeRider: Thanks for the link. I've just tested my system and all my ports are in stealth mode, but my system still replies to ping requests, even though my ZoneAlarm settings should prevend it. poly115.gif
  • snemmy
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    snemmy polycounter lvl 15
    oooh, thanks for this thread. im going to interview for a library computer tech job in a couple days. this thread will definately help if i get the job wink.gif
  • DavidCoen
    my home computer, that i do most of my own programming/artwork on, has not been conected to the internet for about a year now, it runs great. The best security there is, don't plug it in...

    unfortunatly when i want to be online i have to use internet cafe or the like, and they tend to be rather diseased boxes at the best of times...
  • KDR_11k
    That thing made me notice that my idiotic father put himself into our router's DMZ. Wanted to ask him if he really had a personal firewall to allow him to do that. The result? He wanted me to circumvent NAV 2005's activation because his 2004 "stopped working". Additionally, all anti-virus sites were added to his hosts file as localhost. Go figure. I'm not going to spend my few hours of free time helping him with that today!
  • NoSeRider
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    all anti-virus sites were added to his hosts file as localhost.

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    He's got a trojan.

    There's a remote executible that'll put anti virus url's in the host file. This causes the computer to not be able to open those websites.

    Purpose of that is so you won't be able to get anti virus help to remove the trojan. The trojan is probably pinging constantly info on your fathers computer to the offending hackers computer.

    I know, I've encountered the same problem. Generally AVG or Winpatrol will help you identify and remove it.

    Most likely your father has 2 lsass.exe files to. One of them is fake, and not doing good things on the computer.
  • KDR_11k
    I know what caused that. After all, no firewall on a Windows system, AV sites added to hosts file and AV program files corrupted all at once cannot be a coincidence. I'd suspect more than one virus (okay, worm) type to do that. Or maybe he caught that from his random warez dowbnloading (he got my sister infected using a fake Sims 2 crack... He's an outright idiot and won't even let me add a password to the router's setup because "passwords are for paranoids"... Why do I suddently get the urge to turn the DMZ on again?)
  • NoSeRider
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    Cyber criminals, many of them operating out of Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union, have stepped up spamming, identity theft, and fraud, stealing valuable information and money from consumers and businesses.

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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6671443/

    Basically, I'm posting this stuff to get it through people's head that it's not some kid in a college dorm that is doing this stuff.

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    A poll conducted in October shows 90 percent of computer owners install security software, but only 10 percent regularly update it. The Harris Interactive poll for Bentley College found that 30 percent are not knowledgeable about computer viruses, 40 percent don’t know about spyware, and 35 percent believe the government should require the computer industry to ensure that all home computers are secure.

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  • KDR_11k
    and 35 percent believe the government should require the computer industry to ensure that all home computers are secure.

    Thank you, that was my big laugh for today.
  • NoSeRider
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    Lopez lost $90,000 when an unauthorized wire transfer moved the funds from his small business account to a bank account in Latvia. As a small business account holder, Lopez has fewer rights than consumers would if facing the same situation........Online banking is increasingly popular in the United States. This year, about 55 million people will bank online, according to analyst firm Gartner. But the system is fraught with perils.

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    Still think your computer is just a toy?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6713033/
  • TomDunne
    Considering that a large percentage of Polycount's posters use computers every day for work, I don't think many if any of us think of them as just 'toys'...
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