Reference Pack - Liebherr R9800 (150+ images)
Hi everyone!
I'm working on a reference pack for the Liebherr R9800 mining excavator. It includes 150+ images organized in folders: exterior, engine, cabin, undercarriage.
The idea is to save hours of research for 3D artists working on heavy machinery projects.
Price: $49.99 (Personal License) – Commercial License available.
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Attached some samples. Feedback welcome!
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Secondly, this is extremely specific, so it's probably unlikely to give you much return on your time investment.
Third, your post signature is very large, which is kind of annoying. I'd recommend keeping it to two or three lines.
Good luck with it
Would it be possible to get the raw files or at least the camera meta data for camera matching calibration? Knowing the sensor size and focal length for each photo is really helpful for setting up the camera calibrations for precision vehicle modeling. Having quality photos taken with the same lens and camera setup, along with the meta data, is a big advantage over just scraping stuff off the net.
Without those kinds of value adds it may be difficult to justify the cost Vs a quick image search and visit to the company's product page for the official line drawings and equipment specs.
Wait, wait wait. I'm getting some weird vibes here.
150+ photos ~~ 26MB?
What do you mean some angles were harder to find than others?
You're selling Reference packs?
My guy you don't speak like a photographer.
Basic editing? What do you mean by that?
You... Curate high-quality reference images?
My dude did you grab a bunch of photos online and ams rights nows tryings to sells thems?
You know you can't sell other people's photos you scraped from the web, right?
You're providing "A1 A2 A3 Detailed dimensions and specifications."
Now you've entered my professional field.
I created technical specification documentation for Client over a period of 11 years, making approximately 1500 drawings for them.
They have copyright on those.
I can't even show snippets of my work for my portfolio, nor CV, and here you are selling spec sheets.
A completely different company once tried to innocently borrow Client's drawings, using them to plan their workflow.
They weren't even selling the drawings, and got sued. Client paid somewhere between $2-4 million USD for those drawings.
"This license grants full commercial rights. You can use this pack in commercial projects, simulations, and studio work."
You cannot grant a third party full commercial rights to works that you do not hold the rights of.
If a studio or company in good faith buys the rights from you and get sued by Liebherr and a bunch of photographers, they're gonna admit to everything in court, and hold you directly responsible for the damages.
Studio or Company will not try and defend them selves from damages, but instead track you down and transfer responsability onto you.
Gumroad will immediately get deposed and show exactly how every single dollar is connected directly to you.
You're gonna get your entire life ruined.
Unless I'm wrong?
I hope I'm wrong.
If I'm right, delete everything before you make a single dollar off this.
Did you take these photos?
I right-clicked one of them and found this:
https://www.facebook.com/LiebherrMining/posts/our-r-9800-excavator-works-with-a-wide-range-of-commodities-on-sites-all-around-/683132947182354/
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+risky+is+it+to+sell+copyrighted+material&oq=how+risky+is+it+to+sell+copyrighted+material&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTIxMDA3ajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
AI is not a lawyer. What you're doing is illegal.
Your clients can be held liable, and they will transfer that liability directly onto you.
Gumroad will link every dollar you made directly to your SSN.
If Polycount gets a DMCA takedown request on this thread and don't take it down fast enough, they can get sued for hosting infringing content.
That's why ISPs block known torrent sites, so they don't even have to think about the hassle.
I commend you on being transparent. I don't think you did this with malice, but you obviously have no understanding of copyright or trademark laws.
The Gumroad page states "This license grants full commercial rights."
This is so illegal that I'm pretty sure it's not just civil, but also criminal.
Meaning, you don't have to get sued. The FBI only has to read the Gumroad page, and they can go grab you.
You can't be selling rights to works and IP that you do not have the rights to.
This is EXTREMELY illegal.
Stop.
Even your disclaimer is an admission of guilt. You state there directly that you don't own the trademark.
What you're doing is equivalent to selling not one ripped Disney movie, no, you're selling every single Disney movie you were able to find on the internet.
Imagine going to court and argue "No your honour, I wasn't selling the 200 Disney movies, nooo. I was selling the time I spent aggregating them for my customers. What I was selling was the convenience and time saved that pirates would otherwise have to spend in order to track down all 200 ripped Disney movies. Selling 200 Disney movies illegally in one download link isn't better than selling 1 Disney movie illegally.
It's actually more than 200 times worse.
You do not get to sell packs containing other peoples'/entities' copyrighted material without the holder's permission.
It doesn't matter if you spent 1 hour or 100 million hours on this pack.
You want feedback, here it is.
Take it down, or make it free, or get permission from the copyright holders.
Consult a lawyer before you ruin your life.
Ye be warned, pirate.
Goodbye.
I'm not trying to fight you, hate or be mean. I'm trying to help you not get into trouble.
No amount of going back and editing the Gumroad post will remove any liability that you've currently dressed yourself in. I'm not a lawyer but I know enough to know that what you're doing is definitely illegal as a civil matter.
Civil matter means that the rights holders have to find out about what you're doing, sue you, and you get a cease and desist, and they claim every penny you made.
And you get to pay for not only your lawyers, but also theirs. Life ruined.
I'm also pretty sure that because you're trying to licence/transfer rights of IP that you aren't the rights holder of, it's a criminal matter.
Criminal matter means that when the FBI's bot handlers wake up tomorrow and see this thread, they'll send a little boop to your local police office, and you get arrested. Assuming you live in a country that has copyright laws somewhat like the US does.
I live in Norway, and most of it is 100% the same. I have some extra protections as an artist.
Consult a lawyer.
You can charge for your time, and not the product.
The way people generally get around liability for stuff like this is that they make the pack and share it freely.
Not behind a paywall. Not on patreon. Not on your private website where they need to log in and they have to subscribe $5 a month to gain access to the packs.
Freely available for free.
Then, they state something like "Hi, not-customer! If you appreciate these FREE packs I make, consider making a donation. While I can't charge for the packs directly, they do take a lot of time and effort to put together. If this ends up not being worth my time, I will at some point stop making them."
Even if you live in China where you're not gonna get rekt over this, this topic is gonna get deleted, and your Gumroad page is gonna go down.
You have admitted to be selling copyrighted material, and trying to sell (transfer) commercial licence to third parties.
You have admitted that you are aware of trademarks, and that you are not the owner of
Polycount can be held liable just for hosting this topic with a link to your extra crimey Gumroad.
Hi Mining,
I haven't been entirely truthful with you.
It took a while, with multiple rewrites, but when we work together, magical things can happen.
Thank you for feeding my worry, care and concerns directly into your AI.
"Oh, these crimes? Don't worry, I won't get caught"
Damn, that's some sales-pitch huh.
That was fun
All I wanted was for people to be able to see what $100 would buy them.
I’m removing your link, because we have a clear stance against supporting pirated material, and making money off this just takes it another step further. But the conversation can stay.
I poked at you multiple times to get a clearer picture.
I reported your post as suspicius so the mods would pay attention.
They've chosen to not remove your post, AND not to ban you.
That's a message from them to not only you, but to me as well.
I've had plenty of runins with mods, so I understand this quite well.
The reason your link got removed is because you took things that are freely available, and put them behind a paywall.
If you remove that paywall, you are free to monetize your efforts in any other way that is humanly available to you.
Here's what you do:
Change the price to 0, turning the buy button into a donation button.
Change the body text to inform of the effort you've put into this, and any monetary support sent your way will go towards creating more packs.
Put the new link up, and see how the mods respond.
If they wanted you gone, you'd be gone already.
If I wanted you gone, I wouldn't be interacting with you.
I'm not a professional in the industry, so I can afford to be a bit more frank than the other users here.
When I made my first texture, Iono of DLCSS.com told me I sucked, pointed out where and why I sucked, and told me to tighten up my graphics.
I had pretty much the same response to that as you're having right now. I looked up to Iono as an artist and he said I suck. I gave up.
Then Iono told me it would be kinda fucken lame of me to give up. Oh. He didn't want me gone, he wants me to get better.
Your first attempt at monetizing your time and effort kinda sucks. I've pointed out where it sucks, and I've told you to how to tighten up your monetization strategy.
It would be kinda fucken lame to give up now, after you've spent all this time and effort to get to this point.
That thing about me baiting your AI is true, though.
It's mostly to blame of why you got here.