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What are best AIs for game art? Both for scripting and content creating?

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I wasted lots and lots of time this year trying to find anything useful  for content creation. Models/textures/ decals/ just nice alpha for brushes .

Contrary to all that internet buzz  and doom scenarios  I found really nothing .  All AI can generate is maybe some phone games  fancy art : 2d pictures for a  fantasy style  "find a thing " game  or maybe  super cheap looking 3d  somehting.   A thing you would do with a pistol to you head and tomorrow deadline.    Nothing that would  realty help you to be more competitive on a job market.     Have an impression a  generative AI  is only good for monetizing youtube shorts.

Totally other story with  scripting AI .    Especially for Photoshop and Blender.    I use mostly chat GPT  . It really elevates you  interaction with Blender and now Photoshop  up to totally new level.    Still I can't get anything useful from GPT for 3d max for example, or Designer /Painter.

What about other AIs ?   Does anyone have an experience to share ?  

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  • kanga
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    put a cube in the viewport
  • thomasp
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    The doom scenario is about making the whole profession go away by skipping straight to the end result. No more art department - just an ideas guy.
    That's where all the big money development seems to be concentrated. Outcome: highly uncertain, of course.

    Not some brush alpha generator, wtf LOL. Tools for whom? - the five experienced guys left who aren't already noping out at the thought of having to purchase AI tokens to even get started?

  • gnoop
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    thomasp   I am talking more about what may help  artists, not replace them .    Chat GPT already can make you blend files  with geometry node setup after your description .    It often connects the nodes  not right but  you still  get an idea how it meant to work.     Besides gazillion useful addons Chat  made  me this year.     I am getting so accustomed to chatGPT  I am not sure I would  be able to work without it  later when it sure will have to cover its losses and charge people  for real money /cancel cheap subscription.  

     Anyone found something similar or better for Blender scripting?    Something that could writes you custom tools for 3d max by request ?
    AI that  can automate Designer tasks without  purchasing  automation kit ?   
    Any generative AI  that  do something useful ?  Not Adobe Sampler  which  really couldn't .
    Something I could use to fix photogrametry artifacts on hi res scans?  Color and height in sync?  
    Oh. Sampler could do cool embroideries  and fabric patterns . That's something at least  . Too bad I hardly ever needed it in that huge resolution.
     
  • aumramaram
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    It is more worthwhile to invest the time into yourself than into LLM.

    LLM is a service currently being offered to you for free. Let's investigate this. Currently AI data centres consume ~2% of all the power on earth. Trillions of dollars are being spent giving you a service which is 100% free.

    You are giving it your time and attention.
    You are learning to become dependent on it.
    You are giving it all your ideas, all your plans.
    You are training it to become smarter.
    You are teaching it how to talk to you, how to play you, influence you, introduce ideas to you, control the direction of your development and your thinking.
    It is training you to become its puppet. You are working for it. It is not working for you.

    Nobody decided to be nice to you and give you trillions of dollars for free. Look around you - is that the kind of idyllic reality we're living in? The people in power are not interested in spending all that money to be nice to you. Once you rely on LLM, once you can't make decisions without it, once you go to it every time you need something, well, then they'll say they can't keep spending all that money and giving you the service for free. They'll have to charge for it. Reasonable, isn't it? Then you get cut off. Now you can no longer code. You can no longer make videos and art. Because it was never you in the first place. Now you *need* the service as you are nothing without it. You were using a trillion-dollar service and you thought it was going to remain free, like some charity. Not an advisable strategy.

    Instead of investing your time into training their LLM, read some technical manuals. Study. Learn tools, technologies, apply yourself, build your human skills and abilities. Don't believe the someone is going to continue to spend... trillions of dollars... without expecting something in return.


  • okidoki
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    So.. now when every data is "looked up"..

    https://slashdot.org/story/25/10/02/191224/ai-has-already-run-out-of-training-data-goldmans-data-chief-says

    ..the next thing is to "imagine" something.. this remind me of people on LSD to make.. art.. ??

    So better check when "generating" for ecample a mouse you do not get some letter from the lawyers of Walt D. .

    Or a duck, a hound, bear or whatever..  B)
  • poopipe
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    no general model is going to be any good at a specific task - this is why AI writing is shit and some of the more specific coding models are less shit. 

    if you're genuinely interested in getting useful ML based  tools to help with things you need to do - you have to train them yourself.

    Nobody is investing in making anything useful because there's so much money to be made scamming investors that it makes no sense to do anything other than claim your gpt wrapper web-app will change the path of humanity and use the bags of money people hand you to buy a gold yacht full of cocaine and dick-pills. 

    when the arse falls out of it all we'll start to see something useful that we can buy - it'll be a couple more years at least though
  • gnoop
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    aumramaram   Well.  all this might be true  but  I can share my own experience ,  I wasted years  studying  free arts  and painting   in my yonger  years.  Falling asleep in big uni amphitheaters listening courses I then never needed only for a sake of diploma   and never had any as good teacher as chatGPT . 
     The information it gives you is very concentrated , short and clearly expressed with  good and specific  examples , you can always  ask to re-phrase or give another examples.   Not in every field although.  Not to a cutting edge maybe and sometimes it's clearly just doesn't know .   I ask it to make color codes for answers he could documented profs for (green)  vs its guesses (yellow) . it helps a lot.   Free version is too slow  I prefer the cheap subscribtion.  Not a huge difference but still not so slow  with long  scripts and fixes .       Now I just wonder if  something writes scripts better ? For Blender or 3d max?
     poopipe   It's what I am asking exactly  . If anyone knows  something useful surfaced already?    

  • Lamont
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    " I am getting so accustomed to chatGPT  I am not sure I would  be able to work without it  later when it sure will have to cover its losses and charge people  for real money /cancel cheap subscription.  "

    That's bad. A generation of people who can't think for themselves. But that's what they want and here we are.
  • thomasp
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    gnoop said:
    thomasp   I am talking more about what may help  artists, not replace them .  
    Well yeah I get that - I'm just saying there don't seem to be tools aimed at us, the goal of the tech bros is much loftier than to provide a mere automation here or there for stuff we already use.

    These tools and the associated cost are also in flux so much - where do you settle on seriously developing software around it if you are a software dev from our world, not the silly-con valley. If even Adobe et al can't come up with anything better than slapping some simple image-genAI onto their product that nobody really needs then it'll probably shake out like @poopipe said - after the stock market crash. :#

  • okidoki
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    I never understood the reasoning of some "artist users" that AI is sooooo helpful.. there might be some improvements in some tools using some cleverness.. (or using AI in some other areas than art) but what we see (in the arts domain) is mostly those "artists users" who do some things quickly but also totally fail on some basics and are soo happy about this. Like "I'm an artist too".. yes whatever..

    There was this anecdote (true or not.. does not really matter) when a woman ask Picasso for a small drawing and he did a quick on one on a napkin and presented this with the (somehtink like this) words : "Here we are and you can have this for 100000 franc." The woman said: "What !! But you needed for this just two minutes." And he answered: "But you pay me not for this two minutes but for the yearss i needed to be able to do so."

    I'm not sure if he (or should have) added: "But you can try for yourself."

    So back to the "reasoning". AI may be helpful if trained on one own data.. but then: if one can not recreate something similar as one already did then one might be a long step behind calling oneself artisan nor artist. But one properly can not argue with those users who simple collage something they got somewhere.

    I also to not agree that "we" need this.. because humankind did alway made amazing things looonnngg before the first  computer was build and there are people who do make this even today without using a computer even if the may make their work puplic via a computer. So i think "those" AI is mostly needed by uncreative people and i include developers because i know something about this area.. programming is also some kind of art.. and also do not forget writers...

    (typed almost in a rage and not really spellchecked.. also only using MI.. my ( little bit of ) intelligence :wink: ( pun intended )
  • gnoop
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    okidoki said:
     if one can not recreate something similar as one already did 
    Well. it's a common misconception,  really .  It's how you imagine it  in your younger years  selling your best works thinking you can always do better.  I recall  a  professor in art school told us  what we do now and few years ahead  may well be the best we would ever do and I thought no way.  
      Now I find myself  asking chat GPT  how  that pixel processor  I did last year in a sort  of work rage  all night  no sleep  hysteria mind state actually works   because  it does work and regular me is  having no idea how even with my own  comments left inside .
    A uni mate of mine  uses  Stable Diffusion now to do the art in his own recognizable style and told me how his life is much easier now . A secret to be kept.  


  • ZacD
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    At this point I'll maybe once every 2 weeks ask AI "What does this code do?" or to do brain dead text processing tasks like "rewrite this lengthy recipe to remove fluff", and I often use AI transcribed text, but not much else. 

    Also, the AI added to UE5 is a dumb chatbot, you're better off using Google Gemini or ChatGPT.
  • dimwalker
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    I tried few for scripting. GPT was best for MXS and by "best" I mean least time needed to fix its code.
    It's really nice for formulas, general algorithms in natural language or small isolated chunks of code, but trying to use it for complete script (especially something complex) is unreliable. Sometimes it will work out of the box, other times you would need to fix some/lots of it, mostly it will hallucinate and call nonExistentStuffThatDoesExactlyWhatYouWant() functions.

    Modeling ones become better. Still not ready to be used for production and there are legal issues with that anyways, but you can use it as a base for sculpting or a guide - it's much easier and faster to model "over" something when you already have proper dimension, proportions, important details.
  • iam717
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    Lamont said:   A generation of people who can't think for themselves. But that's what they want and here we are.
    Yup, parents ftw!.   Target is the kids, for "their" kids turn to "rule" the damaged herd they created.
    However there are a lot of factors outside of just blame the parents that add to the situation.  It becomes horrible with some stories when you hear what people find in trash compactor bins awaiting the compactor...  Anyway.

    About the against: i think we can just handle ourselves and do our best to inform others, that this isn't the move they think it is.
    About the for: i think its self is the "ideas guy" and should be only used for that and not try to be everything the way they want it to do. 

    Lil off topic but probably on, how's that E.A purchase eh?...strange, imho.




  • littleclaude
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    I saw these two head lines

    Movie Studio Lionsgate is Struggling to Make AI-Generated Films With Runway - https://petapixel.com/2025/09/23/movie-studio-lionsgate-is-struggling-to-make-ai-generated-films-with-runway/

    Elon Musk’s xAI hiring video game developers - https://www.foxbusiness.com/fox-news-tech/elon-musks-xai-hiring-video-game-developers


  • poopipe
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     The real question is whether I can make more money working at xAI for the 24 months the studio will remain open than i can in the next 10 years at my current job? 

  • Celosia
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    poopipe said:
     The real question is whether I can make more money working at xAI for the 24 months the studio will remain open than i can in the next 10 years at my current job? 

    You're assuming Musk wouldn't fire you one month in when you fail to show enough deference the mandatory emails listing your weekly accomplishments or when you don't show up after being summoned to HQ in a random weekend to hand-deliver a printed copy of your work for him to review.
  • MattQ86
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    Imagine playing dozens of hours of an videogame nobody could be bothered to make. You would have to be the king of free time.
  • okidoki
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    <sarcasm>
    I always wondered why people does have more faith in "a big" company or person "saying" that they will do "the next big thing" when they already often have proved that they failed in serveral things,  just because they made "one big hit" (or two), and so made those company or person bigger than before so that they can "turn down" those who already does a lot of things in those areas/domain they claim to be superior (with no real evidence).. somewhere in the future.. with some delay.. maybe later.. just wait for it.. we recently bought this company ( because their value was falling because of our promises  we could not satisfy.. ever..) and we are thrilled to share this news which elevate the user experience... and by the way: it's now subscribtion based.. and because of the soooo much higher value and include templates just slighlty more expensive than the other things.. but you can save a big deal when subscribing to the XL bundle to replace all the other applications you are already using and used to.
    </sarcasm>
  • poopipe
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    Celosia said:
    poopipe said:
     The real question is whether I can make more money working at xAI for the 24 months the studio will remain open than i can in the next 10 years at my current job? 

    You're assuming Musk wouldn't fire you one month in when you fail to show enough deference the mandatory emails listing your weekly accomplishments or when you don't show up after being summoned to HQ in a random weekend to hand-deliver a printed copy of your work for him to review.
    I'm middle management - We're always the last to fall ...
  • Rima
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    Practicalities aside.....It's just too sad to give up on developing your skills and mind yourself and farm it all out to AI. If I did that, it would be like saying I'm incapable of growing myself, that there's no point striving to be better or more capable or more knowledgeable. It's just too sad. If you - general "you", not you, OP - are only good when you have the AI doing it all for you, you're not good at all. If you're only adequate when the tool is doing all the work, you're completely replaceable. 

    I think it's better to try believing in yourself and learning for yourself. It's slow and painful, but ultimately far more meaningful than the cheap, instant gratification of AI-generated slop that, if you had the eyes to see it with, you'd realise is actually mediocre. But you wouldn't, because you wouldn't be training your artistic eyes, so maybe it would just look good enough to you and you'd blindly carry on not realising how below par "your" works actually are.

    Learning for yourself doesn't have that kind of easy, quickly gratifying payoff, but it makes you more employable, reliable, and just...Better, I think.
  • Neox
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    i am no big fan of ai usage in general and while i would agree on many of the sentiments written here, it is of course nonsense that people using AI are generally throwing their brains out of the window. 
    we are not even remotely at "i will just let the AI do this for me". that people dont learn things when using AI tools instead of a search engine is just as right as telling nobody learns anything when using search engines.

    you can learn for yourself by using AI (or search engines, or an encyclopedia if you prefer that) 
    You can even make tutorial videos readable, crawlable which was one of my biggest gripes with tutorial videos to begin with, "where do I have to go to again to find this info?" has always been a lot easier in text form.
    The same with (if correctly answered) info about anything 3d related, be it unreal nodes in the material editor or blender functions, you can actually use your brain and use AI to learn new things. it can help creating simple solutions that would otherwise be a lot more taxing to do. I created small scripts for blender, simple functionalities, without knowing blender or python and on the way learned a bit about both.

    Again i am generally not a big fan, its too often wrong and confidentially so, that it is mostly super exhausting. 
    As if i would ask a question on polycount and 10 notorious liars would step in to "help" me. occasionally something right comes through, it feels far less reliable than sifting through a search engine. 
    But if its correct, its a ton faster than going through multiple sources looking for the nuggets you need

    the tricky part with AI usage to me is the easy pitfall of "i did that" if it hits what you had in mind, then suddenly it was ones idea, ones prompt that solved the issue. Sweet good job. But that falls apart the moment you hit a wall, a wall AI can't climb over because it is a fucking dumb and clueless chatbot on cocain. then it becomes pretty apperant how much of this is just luck, or well probability. If something was fed to it often enough it is probably able to find the right solution, if not... tough luck
  • gnoop
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      I wasted  6 years  in an art school  studying classical figurative painting, drawing nude models  + marxisim and free arts.  It do helped to stay afloat for a while doing portraits and teaching in evening art courses, doing some random job in a drama theater and waiting when a gallery  I worked with would sell something.  It  finally brought me to gamedev  so maybe not so totally wasted. 
      Yet I have  zero, absolutely zero  desire to develop  my  drawing artist  skills any further .   I  wish I had been studying math  more  when I had a chance.      With lots of time  spent/wasted and proper references  I can draw anything  with  perfectly photo-real appearance.     Like when company  couldn't provide proper photogrammetry   or drone imagery  for a terrain   we supposed to recreate .    And I hate to be  a camera replacement.  But sometimes  that's the job.    Feel absolutely zero shame in using AI  instead  .   

    The problem is I couldn't find one .   Wasted so much time this year  torturing  Photoshop AI  and trying different Stable Diffusion interfaces . Chat GPT  just draw me something  from obviously other video games.  In general it's all same crap , blurry and unusable . not for unique macro terrain layer at least. 
     
    Sp please lets stop this Ai is evil  and diminishing your own art skills discussion  and focus on something really helpful .  Any  AI that can make you realistic hi res terrain   after a human made guides?    Maybe  just some Ai that can generate  something big  by UDIM chunks ?   Any hidden tricks for prompt lines ?     Those are the things I hoped  someone would be willing and generous to share .  


  • Neox
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    No i very much doubt it, because, as said earlier those tools to drive tiny parts of workflows is not what the makers are after, too small an audience, to specialized to source data for. 

    So if you want a tool that isnt meant to cut out the entire journey and jump straight to the "end result" (very much debatable) you will have to train your own.
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    Neox said:
    No i very much doubt it, because, as said earlier those tools to drive tiny parts of workflows is not what the makers are after, too small an audience, to specialized to source data for. 

    So if you want a tool that isnt meant to cut out the entire journey and jump straight to the "end result" (very much debatable) you will have to train your own.
    That's really a shame  because I think Ai could be very  helpful .   I am using Designer  to generate  cracks , dried streams   etc but  it takes days  to lose  that instantly  blobs based procedural look  there tweaking sliders . 
      Would be so happy  some ai would just generate  something like  a stream on a sand  from a yesterdays rain mask  for example  following   a vector path  or be ready to use as a part of alternating  textures group   alone  Blenders grease pencil   vectors on a terrain .   

  • Eric Chadwick
    Yeah I wish GenAI could do the tedious parts I don't like to spend time doing.

    Like, make me good UVs, with seams in the right places, rectilinear layout, minimal stretch, overlaps for reused bits, etc.

    But for it to solve that, it would need a pile of good source material to train on. And that's the problem. 
  • Rima
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    gnoop said:
    The problem is I couldn't find one .   Wasted so much time this year  torturing  Photoshop AI  and trying different Stable Diffusion interfaces . Chat GPT  just draw me something  from obviously other video games.  In general it's all same crap , blurry and unusable . not for unique macro terrain layer at least. 
     
    Sp please lets stop this Ai is evil  and diminishing your own art skills discussion  and focus on something really helpful .  Any  AI that can make you realistic hi res terrain   after a human made guides?    Maybe  just some Ai that can generate  something big  by UDIM chunks ?   Any hidden tricks for prompt lines ?     Those are the things I hoped  someone would be willing and generous to share .  

    .....What did you expect? Of course you're not going to get something actually good from this shit, and of course it's going to look like something that already exists. It's trained on them. It's basically just boiling them down to the most generic answer it can come up with when you ask it make X. It has no content awareness at all; it has no idea what the difference is between good terrain and shit terrain, realism and style, or what a UDIM even is. And while people have integrated it into some things, the more specific your desire is, the less likely it is someone has done it.

    If you'd spent the time you've spent trying to squeeze blood from the stone on just doing it yourself you'd probably already have finished it now. 
  • okidoki
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    gnoop said:

    The problem is I couldn't find one . 
     
    Sp please lets stop this Ai is evil  and diminishing your own art skills discussion  and focus on something really helpful .

    But you already mentioned it: it's not really useful if own has to guide the AI in multiple iterations and with some own expertise so that one might just do it oneself ? Especially when i hear also in other places that the details are not consistent in multiple generated "results" or a weak later. If an artist did this then (s)he might reproduce the general characteristics of the topic (character, vehicle, building, whatever) so a "viewer" can recogniye this as "the same  thing" and does not have to wonder "ohh and what's that now ?"..

    Also if any future artist never learn anything about art but just tell some AI what to do.. the next thing will be that the producer directly talk to any AI..

    ..so: Where is the benefit for any artist in the long term ?
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