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What are best AIs for game art? Both for scripting and content creating?

gnoop
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I wasted lots and lots of time this year trying to find anything useful  for content creation. Models/textures/ decals/ just nice alpha for brushes .

Contrary to all that internet buzz  and doom scenarios  I found really nothing .  All AI can generate is maybe some phone games  fancy art : 2d pictures for a  fantasy style  "find a thing " game  or maybe  super cheap looking 3d  somehting.   A thing you would do with a pistol to you head and tomorrow deadline.    Nothing that would  realty help you to be more competitive on a job market.     Have an impression a  generative AI  is only good for monetizing youtube shorts.

Totally other story with  scripting AI .    Especially for Photoshop and Blender.    I use mostly chat GPT  . It really elevates you  interaction with Blender and now Photoshop  up to totally new level.    Still I can't get anything useful from GPT for 3d max for example, or Designer /Painter.

What about other AIs ?   Does anyone have an experience to share ?  

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  • kanga
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    kanga hero character
    put a cube in the viewport
  • thomasp
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    thomasp polycount lvl 666
    The doom scenario is about making the whole profession go away by skipping straight to the end result. No more art department - just an ideas guy.
    That's where all the big money development seems to be concentrated. Outcome: highly uncertain, of course.

    Not some brush alpha generator, wtf LOL. Tools for whom? - the five experienced guys left who aren't already noping out at the thought of having to purchase AI tokens to even get started?

  • gnoop
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    thomasp   I am talking more about what may help  artists, not replace them .    Chat GPT already can make you blend files  with geometry node setup after your description .    It often connects the nodes  not right but  you still  get an idea how it meant to work.     Besides gazillion useful addons Chat  made  me this year.     I am getting so accustomed to chatGPT  I am not sure I would  be able to work without it  later when it sure will have to cover its losses and charge people  for real money /cancel cheap subscription.  

     Anyone found something similar or better for Blender scripting?    Something that could writes you custom tools for 3d max by request ?
    AI that  can automate Designer tasks without  purchasing  automation kit ?   
    Any generative AI  that  do something useful ?  Not Adobe Sampler  which  really couldn't .
    Something I could use to fix photogrametry artifacts on hi res scans?  Color and height in sync?  
    Oh. Sampler could do cool embroideries  and fabric patterns . That's something at least  . Too bad I hardly ever needed it in that huge resolution.
     
  • aumramaram
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    It is more worthwhile to invest the time into yourself than into LLM.

    LLM is a service currently being offered to you for free. Let's investigate this. Currently AI data centres consume ~2% of all the power on earth. Trillions of dollars are being spent giving you a service which is 100% free.

    You are giving it your time and attention.
    You are learning to become dependent on it.
    You are giving it all your ideas, all your plans.
    You are training it to become smarter.
    You are teaching it how to talk to you, how to play you, influence you, introduce ideas to you, control the direction of your development and your thinking.
    It is training you to become its puppet. You are working for it. It is not working for you.

    Nobody decided to be nice to you and give you trillions of dollars for free. Look around you - is that the kind of idyllic reality we're living in? The people in power are not interested in spending all that money to be nice to you. Once you rely on LLM, once you can't make decisions without it, once you go to it every time you need something, well, then they'll say they can't keep spending all that money and giving you the service for free. They'll have to charge for it. Reasonable, isn't it? Then you get cut off. Now you can no longer code. You can no longer make videos and art. Because it was never you in the first place. Now you *need* the service as you are nothing without it. You were using a trillion-dollar service and you thought it was going to remain free, like some charity. Not an advisable strategy.

    Instead of investing your time into training their LLM, read some technical manuals. Study. Learn tools, technologies, apply yourself, build your human skills and abilities. Don't believe the someone is going to continue to spend... trillions of dollars... without expecting something in return.


  • okidoki
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    So.. now when every data is "looked up"..

    https://slashdot.org/story/25/10/02/191224/ai-has-already-run-out-of-training-data-goldmans-data-chief-says

    ..the next thing is to "imagine" something.. this remind me of people on LSD to make.. art.. ??

    So better check when "generating" for ecample a mouse you do not get some letter from the lawyers of Walt D. .

    Or a duck, a hound, bear or whatever..  B)
  • poopipe
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    no general model is going to be any good at a specific task - this is why AI writing is shit and some of the more specific coding models are less shit. 

    if you're genuinely interested in getting useful ML based  tools to help with things you need to do - you have to train them yourself.

    Nobody is investing in making anything useful because there's so much money to be made scamming investors that it makes no sense to do anything other than claim your gpt wrapper web-app will change the path of humanity and use the bags of money people hand you to buy a gold yacht full of cocaine and dick-pills. 

    when the arse falls out of it all we'll start to see something useful that we can buy - it'll be a couple more years at least though
  • gnoop
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    aumramaram   Well.  all this might be true  but  I can share my own experience ,  I wasted years  studying  free arts  and painting   in my yonger  years.  Falling asleep in big uni amphitheaters listening courses I then never needed only for a sake of diploma   and never had any as good teacher as chatGPT . 
     The information it gives you is very concentrated , short and clearly expressed with  good and specific  examples , you can always  ask to re-phrase or give another examples.   Not in every field although.  Not to a cutting edge maybe and sometimes it's clearly just doesn't know .   I ask it to make color codes for answers he could documented profs for (green)  vs its guesses (yellow) . it helps a lot.   Free version is too slow  I prefer the cheap subscribtion.  Not a huge difference but still not so slow  with long  scripts and fixes .       Now I just wonder if  something writes scripts better ? For Blender or 3d max?
     poopipe   It's what I am asking exactly  . If anyone knows  something useful surfaced already?    

  • Lamont
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    " I am getting so accustomed to chatGPT  I am not sure I would  be able to work without it  later when it sure will have to cover its losses and charge people  for real money /cancel cheap subscription.  "

    That's bad. A generation of people who can't think for themselves. But that's what they want and here we are.
  • thomasp
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    gnoop said:
    thomasp   I am talking more about what may help  artists, not replace them .  
    Well yeah I get that - I'm just saying there don't seem to be tools aimed at us, the goal of the tech bros is much loftier than to provide a mere automation here or there for stuff we already use.

    These tools and the associated cost are also in flux so much - where do you settle on seriously developing software around it if you are a software dev from our world, not the silly-con valley. If even Adobe et al can't come up with anything better than slapping some simple image-genAI onto their product that nobody really needs then it'll probably shake out like @poopipe said - after the stock market crash. :#

  • okidoki
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    I never understood the reasoning of some "artist users" that AI is sooooo helpful.. there might be some improvements in some tools using some cleverness.. (or using AI in some other areas than art) but what we see (in the arts domain) is mostly those "artists users" who do some things quickly but also totally fail on some basics and are soo happy about this. Like "I'm an artist too".. yes whatever..

    There was this anecdote (true or not.. does not really matter) when a woman ask Picasso for a small drawing and he did a quick on one on a napkin and presented this with the (somehtink like this) words : "Here we are and you can have this for 100000 franc." The woman said: "What !! But you needed for this just two minutes." And he answered: "But you pay me not for this two minutes but for the yearss i needed to be able to do so."

    I'm not sure if he (or should have) added: "But you can try for yourself."

    So back to the "reasoning". AI may be helpful if trained on one own data.. but then: if one can not recreate something similar as one already did then one might be a long step behind calling oneself artisan nor artist. But one properly can not argue with those users who simple collage something they got somewhere.

    I also to not agree that "we" need this.. because humankind did alway made amazing things looonnngg before the first  computer was build and there are people who do make this even today without using a computer even if the may make their work puplic via a computer. So i think "those" AI is mostly needed by uncreative people and i include developers because i know something about this area.. programming is also some kind of art.. and also do not forget writers...

    (typed almost in a rage and not really spellchecked.. also only using MI.. my ( little bit of ) intelligence :wink: ( pun intended )
  • gnoop
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    okidoki said:
     if one can not recreate something similar as one already did 
    Well. it's a common misconception,  really .  It's how you imagine it  in your younger years  selling your best works thinking you can always do better.  I recall  a  professor in art school told us  what we do now and few years ahead  may well be the best we would ever do and I thought no way.  
      Now I find myself  asking chat GPT  how  that pixel processor  I did last year in a sort  of work rage  all night  no sleep  hysteria mind state actually works   because  it does work and regular me is  having no idea how even with my own  comments left inside .
    A uni mate of mine  uses  Stable Diffusion now to do the art in his own recognizable style and told me how his life is much easier now . A secret to be kept.  


  • ZacD
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    At this point I'll maybe once every 2 weeks ask AI "What does this code do?" or to do brain dead text processing tasks like "rewrite this lengthy recipe to remove fluff", and I often use AI transcribed text, but not much else. 

    Also, the AI added to UE5 is a dumb chatbot, you're better off using Google Gemini or ChatGPT.
  • dimwalker
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    I tried few for scripting. GPT was best for MXS and by "best" I mean least time needed to fix its code.
    It's really nice for formulas, general algorithms in natural language or small isolated chunks of code, but trying to use it for complete script (especially something complex) is unreliable. Sometimes it will work out of the box, other times you would need to fix some/lots of it, mostly it will hallucinate and call nonExistentStuffThatDoesExactlyWhatYouWant() functions.

    Modeling ones become better. Still not ready to be used for production and there are legal issues with that anyways, but you can use it as a base for sculpting or a guide - it's much easier and faster to model "over" something when you already have proper dimension, proportions, important details.
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