Female Template Body [proportion tweaks and pose]
polycounter lvl 7
Hi there polycounter,
My goal is to improve and speed up my workflow by constructing human base meshes in a short time and with the help of little to no reference.
So before I tackle hands and feet I hope somebody is interested to comment on my work and point out some mistakes I made. I kind of want to establish this model as future reference for quality when sculpting for mileage again
The torso has benn sculpted from memory and the arms and legs with some anatomical reference. The head is only for completeness.
My goal is to improve and speed up my workflow by constructing human base meshes in a short time and with the help of little to no reference.
So before I tackle hands and feet I hope somebody is interested to comment on my work and point out some mistakes I made. I kind of want to establish this model as future reference for quality when sculpting for mileage again
The torso has benn sculpted from memory and the arms and legs with some anatomical reference. The head is only for completeness.
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Still looking for suggestions so I´d be happy for any advice and critique
She´s very muscular right now^^ I currently have some problems with my rib cage shape namely the plane break on the front. It doesnt look like much in the picture (left torso is new one) but it makes a noticeable difference in 3D. Green spot marks where I see the rib cage shifting to the back.
I wanted to upload my stuff yesterday but my internet didn´t let me... Therefor I am doing it today which means I only was able to consider Tectonics´s advice.
@Tectonic
Her neck seems indeed a bit long. Reajusted it a little but might not be enough.
And it is true her wrists don´t quite reach the crotch -however, I can´t find any evidence that her torso is too long after reassessing to the grid and comparing to another 8 head reference model. If you can tell me what makes you think that her upper body is too long I´d be very greatful! Instead I lengthend the arms a bit to get closer to the midline.
She is exactly 8 heads tall btw
@Seraphinn
maybe I went a bit overboard but I was recommended at CBZ to not neglet the mons pubis fat tissue
I think you are right on the hips. This might be the reason why her torso looks elongated. She is super slim atm and looks like a super serious athlete. I have problems where I can´t really widen her hips without making it look artificial or looking completely out of scale for me. Maybe after stepping back from the model for a few days I can wrap my head around this issue.
@yukonwanderer
I agree with you. I should pull back the calfs a bit.
So this is what I worked on yesterday-
mainly trying to fix some grave mistakes on her back and reassessing arms and neck. Unfortunately I won´t be able to continue to sculpt on her till the end of this month.
Tests are right around the corner...
Here is the grid view in case it helps;)
And since there won´t be happening much for two weeks I thought I´d test sketchfab embeding on polycount to share my model:)
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Cheers! And thank you guys again!
Not easy stuff! I find the hands to be quite expressive and therefore a stiff and flat shaped hand feels unnatural on the figure.
I sculpt the hand spreaded before I change the composure, which brings me to my problem. I can´t seem to understand the thumb area at all. Either way I model the thumb´s length to feel "right" but then it wouldnt reach far enough when rotating next to the index finger. Or modeling it to reach to the index finger but then looking akward when the hand is spreaded.
Maybe some hand expert can help me on that
For the foot I decided I only need the correct shape and planes (because I am lazy xD and) since in most cases they will be covered by shoes.
The entire figure:
-> I have been spending some time figuring out how to solve the upper body feeling elongated, as @Tectonic mentioned to me, without breaking the proportional guidelines I know. In the end I found that for most 8 head models the waistline lies above the third head line so I increased the hip fat deposits to move the waist up. I hope this solves my problem.
-> For the crotch area as well I didn´t want to neglet what I learned over at ZBC and after looking at some more references I found that the mons pubis greatly differs from person to person. To remove the "bumpy look" mentioned by @Seraphinn I decided to go for this shape.
Other than that I worked on the legs, reducing the size of the calfs as advised as well.
After spending like forever on the knee and the popliteal space I am still not happy with those parts... they look artificial
Comments and feedback are greatly appreciated!!!
I have to remake them anyway because I used dynamesh to merge them to the body and therefore lost the crease in the armpits... not the best idea on second guess, haha^^
I agree with you @Wendy de Boer! For an artist in the business it should be essential to know about the entire body since it rises your market value. However for me, this is "only" a hobby. I think I can get away with skipping on some things that I am not too fond of right now;)
I actually plan to do the same thing with the male body as well and then finish off all the parts that I am still missing.
I didn't mess with the side view but right now the hips seem like they're a little squashed too (front to back, aka not enough booty), but it could just be a side effect of the long torso length.
@tda very cool that you did this! based on that I actually pulled in some real life reference and checked the proportions. What I found is that the length of the torso isn´t too long but the width isn´t sufficient. In any case my model´s head is too small. You have good eyes!
Im not too sure if I should go for your solution. Personal it would fit my taste better shortening the torso, but for this project I don´t want to go stylized yet... also this would mean loosing my 8 head landmarks... difficult, difficult^^
Here´s a screenshot of what I did. Only some basic pulling and pushing with move brush and mouse. Not meant to be serious!
Also I put down the links to the reference I used.
http://community.fansshare.com/pic45/w/human-anatomy/1200/1285_human_anatomy.jpg
http://www.majouline.com/content/images/thumbs/0000255_panache_sport_sport_short_5024_paars_36_tm_40.jpeg
For the ribcage. What you are seeing aren´t ribs but the serratos anterior. Ribs would have a steeper angle downwards if that is what you mean?
I worked on the feet and hands, getting down some more volumes and landmarks for the feet and trying to improve on that freakin thumb (still completely lost here)! I also worked on major proportions and the index and middle finger.
Please tell me what you think!
I learned a few new things, such as the proportions should change relative to the person´s true height and that the size of the head compared to the body is the main indicator for the entire body size. Before that I was like: "the person should be taller? just scale the mesh a little bit^^"
Anyway this leads me to my probably last tweak on this model. Sure there´s still much to improve like the arms (they are quite the nightmare for me) and I am not happy with the knee area at all but I think there is no end to that anyway. I want to move on to my next project sculpting the male body and continue to build on the things I have learned here.
For the proportions I pretty much followed @tda ´s advide by bringing down the shoulders and increasing the size of the head. She now comes in at 7.6 heads. I increased the width of the torso, as well as moving up the widest point of the ribcage. Unfortunately I never reached to consider @pongstah ´s advice since the rotation in the arm gave me so much trouble that I decided to continue to practice the arm in a more neutral position with my male model. I gave her some underwear as well to figure out how the breasts should look like when supported by a bra.
For fun I tried to zsphere pose the model though I have to say I don´t know a thing about posing except that the arms shouldn´t be parallel xD For that purpose I tried giving her a more pleasant face so she wouldn´t look like beeing on the verge of smacking you in the face^^ @Thessera
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As far as toes go, I know I know^^ But I decided to get involved with the feet in detail later and maybe sculpt some when I have the proper knowledge