Jin Kazama Redesign as a Female
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Hello everyone,
I am doing a module based on redesigning our favorite fighting game character. I have chosen to do jin kazama but i wanted to actually challenge my self. So i decided on redesigning him as a her, this moved onto redesigning her clothing as a steam punk/business style. I do understand certain unique elements would need to be incorporated to make her recognizable to the current jin. I have finished my concepts and base mesh. I am now moving onto the sculpting.
This is my progress so far and hopefully i am looking for some sort of feedback:
Close up off the face, and some improvements i have highlighted.
Front Body
Side
Back
Certain elements are going to be covered, so i didn't bother adding detail like the hand and the boots. Just the overall shape was needed. If i can get some feedback this would be great, i am moving onto the clothing aspect now
I am doing a module based on redesigning our favorite fighting game character. I have chosen to do jin kazama but i wanted to actually challenge my self. So i decided on redesigning him as a her, this moved onto redesigning her clothing as a steam punk/business style. I do understand certain unique elements would need to be incorporated to make her recognizable to the current jin. I have finished my concepts and base mesh. I am now moving onto the sculpting.
This is my progress so far and hopefully i am looking for some sort of feedback:
Close up off the face, and some improvements i have highlighted.
Front Body
Side
Back
Certain elements are going to be covered, so i didn't bother adding detail like the hand and the boots. Just the overall shape was needed. If i can get some feedback this would be great, i am moving onto the clothing aspect now
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You've currently got some real issues with the anatomy across the entire model, but before you go any further with that, I think you really need to take a step back and work out exactly what you're doing here.
This here is your iconic Jin appearance. There's some variations across the games, but they're always roughly the same as this. I'd say your most important elements are the asymetrical flame on black design, those iconic studded red gloves and perhaps the pointy haircut and big eyebrows. I can imagine a few directions you could take it, but I'm not sure that business attire is going to be quite what you're going for - Jin's design is bright, bold and contrasting which isn't really what you'll get from a business dress.
Also for the anatomy, could you line up some pointers on where i'm going wrong?
If it were me I would stick to the colour scheme of black and red, and definitely keep the flame. His clothing has a very practical athletic look so I would try and keep to that as well. Maybe even just a sport bra on top the same colour scheme or flame design. Maybe change the trousers to shorts if you want to make it a bit more different.
I think that the gender change is the big thing and the main focus and that you should concentrate on making the face as similar as possible while still feminine, this will sell the piece. The clothing should be second place to this and only needs adapting to be feminine other wise you are changing too much and you might have well just designed a new character.
Progress today on the anatomy
The things i pointed out and fixed k neck was way too long, this was adjusted down quite allot to look right, the face will further need refinement to fit the correct proportion. A comparison to Loomis guide was constructed, and the base mesh was then adjusted to fit with industry stander ed artwork for human proportion. The chest was adjusted to its more straight and curved from the chest to arm, rather a concave shape it previously had. Finally the awkward fold bunching on the shoulder has been taken out and the folding looks more natural. The k neck could be lowered slightly more, but for now refining the facial features and adding detail is the priority, deadline approaches soon 3:30 Friday.
Any other improvements please comment, as i am still in zbrush and their is time for further refinements
Here is the comparison sheet created
Perhaps make the arms a different subtool you know?
Extract them from the paint mesh and then detail from there.
Also you should consider making the figure 8 type biceps just for definition's sake.
Also I would soften her face you know, needs more chubby cheeks.
With the face i do agree, she needs chubby cheeks, but 1st i did some measurements and the face was out of proportion. Such as
The previous lips was very small, this has now been compared to a real life reference and has been adjusted accordingly. The nose needed a slight tweak but was generally fine and the jaw line was ducked in and small. The curves on the jaw wasn't present and now looks more promising. The eyes was not in the center of the face currently and now moved into the correct place, alongside giving a slight adjustment to the actual shape.
Below is an image of the comparison and newly adjusted face, Yes it looks bit like her now but, the general proportions are their. Now i can add in the chubby cheeks and other features if necessary.
The heel lift is now adjusted and is more accurate to this referance... Also the sculpt is at a lower sub d under 600,000 still need to add more detail around the areas which will be revealing
To be honest, your proportions aren't really the problem. Its your forms.
You need to be looking at the major planes on the body and face - Here is an example of the face planes
I can't find one of the body, but hopefully you get the idea. I'm sure there are some on the polycount wiki.
Rather than using a drawing of proportions as a reference, use an image of a real female.
Personally, I dont think some of loomis' drawings were ever intended to become gospel in terms of how we should draw and sculpt, but more of a guide to how many heads tall a figure is, body part ratio's etc. I find the female loomis drawing really odd [not bashing loomis, his books are fucking gold]
Regarding the face - again the same applies, your proportions arent bad, but the forms need some attention.
Keep it up dude.
The way youve sculpted the eyes is a bit odd, it seems like you have sculpted in an indent of the eyelashes. I tend to make an eyelash plane/placeholder piece of geometry, it gives you a better indication of whether you are getting the flesh underneath correct.
For the nose, i'd definitely flesh that out a lot more, research the interior anatomy and where the cartilage lies. The bridge of the nose is very sharp as well, youll want to soften that off with a fleshy sweep either side of the nose
Your neck needs to be brought back in, its very wide and manly at the moment - feminine necks are usually just a little bit thinner than the head itself.
The mouth needs a good soften. Look up scans rather than photos and youll see that the lips colour is what sets the definition, as appose to the sharpness youve got there.
Your overall face shape from the front seems okay, but from the side her head is quite deep, bring that back in and this will help the neck
On the hair? Sculpting hair in zbrush is a knob, and it's usually useless if youre going to make it game ready anyway using planes. If you really want to, Ryan Kingslien has a great hair tutorial over at zbrushworkshops
Anyway, keep it up, can see an improvement from the start.
Cheers
Below is the progress of the Textures so far in zbrush, i am still working on it and improving. The actual body/face i will be adjusting before i poly paint so hopefully this will differ from the current. But 1st i need to get on with poly painting the rest of the cloths so i am comfortable making changes to the face, before my next deadline; which is the character completed and presented .
Your hair doesn't seem to have enough volume, so it looks like your character's head seems flatter than it should be.
Also, avoid the white to red gradient background. Use something more neutral, like a gray background.