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Schrodinger's Backface
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Hey, so on top of the obvious fact that this is my first post and that I'm a complete noobie to this forum (so sorry if this gets asked in various ways or it's in the wrong section.. I twwwied :( )

What are some of the most eye-rolling, irritating noobie mistakes people make in their portfolios? More specifically, when it comes to choice of what to showcase, are there certain patterns in the portfolios noobies make? I went to the talk/presentation Adam Bromwell held in Toronto for the IGDA (which inspired me to join up here) and he said that sci-fi hallways and medieval castle walls are done in portfolios way too often. Are there other assets you guys see roll into here too often?

Maybe there is a sticky for this exact topic and I missed it >.< haha.. atleast the title would be appropriate.

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  • dempolys
  • Computron
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    Computron polycounter lvl 7
    Hey Schrodinger's Backface (Cool name, BTW),

    Welcome to Polycount. Regarding portfolios, I think you want to know about environment artist portfolios, correct? People tend to put way to many things on them with a varying degree of quality. You only want to put your best work on your portfolio, don't dilute your presentation by adding in your very first models, becasue they will suck.

    You are trying to advertise your skills as an artist, so right up front you should have pictures of your work with watermarked contact info on each picture (in case they save your stuff and need to find you). Don't use anything like flash (remember some people use old systems or netbooks even).

    Naughty Dog's Tech artist recently did a talk, he said that he usually loses interest very fast when looking for potential Hires and would prefer if people had 2 varied and high quality environments right on their front page with as much subject matter as you can logically fit in your styles.
    So, for example, make an interior scifi environment with lots of mechanical detail modeling for one environment and do a outdoor organic environment for your other piece. This shows you are flexible and are able to do a whole range of things.
  • ZacD
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    ZacD ngon master
    Find some really good concept art or impressive reference images that seem original to you. Your references should not make you think "that looks a bit like halo" or skyrim, or call of duty, etc. Don't do a create or barrel or anything generic, unless some how you can take it to the next level.
  • Ace-Angel
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    Ace-Angel polycounter lvl 12
    The one that comes off the top of my head is music, something which I do too alot of.

    Basically, keep it simple, don't make it a distraction.
  • Saman
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    Saman polycounter lvl 14
    One of the most eye-rolling mistakes I see in people's portfolios(be it character or environment art) is the presentation. By presentation I mean proper renders with good lighting and all. Whenever I see a good asset in terrible lighting I get disappointed at the person, it's as if he/she doesn't care.
    Go and take a look at some of the best environment artists out there. You've already mentioned Adam, an easy way to find the rest is by looking in the polycounter job census. People who already have jobs in Naughty dog, Blizzard and Epic for example, have good portfolios. Look at how they've lit their scenes and what camera angles they've used. Also look at how they've set up their sites and more.
    Good luck!
  • slipsius
    A couple things I've personally seen that I would consider newbie mistakes....

    -Spelling mistakes
    -No phone number
    -No Email
    -No Contact info in general
    -They use flash (it requires a plugin, that some employers may not have, and it eliminates the ability to see it on iPhones, which is useful at conferences)
    -They dont credit other people where they need to. If you did a group project at school, you have to say who else worked on it, and who did what.
    -They are afraid to ditch their shitty work, because they are attached to it, but truth is it shouldnt be on your portfolio cause its bad
    -They dont show their best stuff first
    -They add splash pages (every click to get to your work is another chance the viewer will skip your portfolio
  • jipe
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    jipe polycounter lvl 17
    1. The work isn't good enough.
    2. The work's quality varies widely (poor editing).
    3. The work lacks stylistic diversity.
    4. The work is presented poorly (annoying website, crappy music, small screenshots, bad lighting).
    5. The work was completed in a group and individual contributions aren't credited/labeled.

    All these are pretty big problems but can be fixed. The real issue, the one Adam hit upon with his talk, is that too many portfolios are nouns instead of adjectives. People make things -- characters, environments, animations, whatever -- but they're so focused on making the noun and getting through the technical bullshit that they forget games are supposed to be fun and awe-inspiring.

    Good games are suspenseful, funny, sad -- they make you feel things. This is true from blockbuster games down to checkers. Most portfolios don't come anywhere near eliciting an emotional reaction. I'm not saying your environment props have to make me cry or your character model has to wisecrack like Nathan Drake, but I should be thinking something other than "Nice normals" or "Crisp texture" when I look through a portfolio. That stuff should be a given because people playing games don't care what your topology looks like. They want to explore and be inspired and overwhelmed and excited, all at the same time.

    That's why sci-fi corridors are stupid. Not just because everyone's doing it, but because everyone's doing it and 99% of the time the result is a noun. Perfect and technically proficient, but lifeless. If you can make a sci-fi corridor that makes me feel the same way I did while watching Moon, then go ahead. But your work should show that you can do more than create nouns with technical skill. The industry needs artists.
  • praetus
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    praetus interpolator
    Something that always annoys me is when people throw a watermark over their entire image. If I cannot see what you have made as an artist you have failed at presentation. The most I add to my own images is my e-mail and website url (my website is my name) in the bottom corner where it is out of the way. I'm sure someone could easily crop my photo and rip me off, but I would rather have that chance than not be hired because a studio couldn't see my work to judge it.
  • Mcejn
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    Mcejn polycounter lvl 12
    Don't hide your work.
  • Snader
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    Snader polycounter lvl 15
    Overly complex sites, and incorrect amounts of information.

    Think flash, 4 layers of menus, intro screens, heavy AJAX scripting that doesn't do much. Think having only an ingame render with no wireframe, flats or specs, or inversely - half a dozen images pertaining to a barrelcrate. Also applies to resum
  • sprunghunt
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    jipe wrote: »
    That's why sci-fi corridors are stupid. Not just because everyone's doing it, but because everyone's doing it and 99% of the time the result is a noun. Perfect and technically proficient, but lifeless. If you can make a sci-fi corridor that makes me feel the same way I did while watching Moon, then go ahead. But your work should show that you can do more than create nouns with technical skill. The industry needs artists.

    This times a million. This is some of the best advice anyone could hope for with regards to portfolios.
  • Habboi
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    Habboi sublime tool
    That's why sci-fi corridors are stupid. Not just because everyone's doing it, but because everyone's doing it and 99% of the time the result is a noun. Perfect and technically proficient, but lifeless. If you can make a sci-fi corridor that makes me feel the same way I did while watching Moon, then go ahead. But your work should show that you can do more than create nouns with technical skill. The industry needs artists.

    True but I like to think of it as a theme where the best ones create something unique that hints at sci fi but doesn't look like a generic metal corridor. Take my sci-fi corridor for example which doesn't have metal in sight...well a little :D

    Regardless the biggest turn off for me is 3D / 2D tabs on a portfolio. As soon as the site loads I should see art within seconds. In fact I use thumbnails on my site and even I'm starting to think that's a bad idea. It should be a long vertical row of 1200 width images with a decent quality but not too high or they'll load slow.
  • Eric Chadwick
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    pior grand marshal polycounter
    I am confused by this kind of threads. You attended the talk, and registered here... the next step is simply to show your work! like, now!

    A portfolio takes a couple hours to put together layout wise anyways - upload your images, write your contact info, paste your resum
  • Artist_in_a_box
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    I think once I finish some new work I am gonna re make my entire site. I thought I had kept it simple but it is REALLY easy to over complicate fast. I studied many types of site since I created my current abomination and it seems to me that the best sites are simple and I mean REALLY simple.

    Take these as an example

    http://www.philipk.net/
    http://www.metalliandy.com/
    http://www.brameulaers.com/
    http://www.adambromell.com/
    http://www.digitalmarino.com/

    All of these are great examples and you don't need a masters degree in web design to make em.
    This last one is one of my favorites - http://3dbrushwork.com/ I love that it is done in Wordpress and now I kind of wish I had made mine in Wordpress too tbh, cheaper and easier.

    EDIT to Below Comments - Yea I do agree guys, I like it more as its a bit unusual being in wordpress and such but it DOES flaunt the rule about clicks to get to the work. Not a great example for site design but he does think outside the box.
  • slipsius
    That last one you love so much, I think is kind of annoying and poorly designed. too many clicks to get to the images.
  • Ace-Angel
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    Ace-Angel polycounter lvl 12
    The last isn't bad per say, it's just very scattered.

    He put both the breakdowns and final images on one page, and further divided them, which is very clumsy.

    If he put all the finals together as one image you have to click, as well the breakdowns, that would have been much more understandable for the previous click in the first place.

    But as of now, you click the images you want to go, and then you have 6+ more images to click. No.

    Click on image and click on breakdowns or final, yes. Or you know, you could have them organized from the beginning on the first page like that, saving you one click.
  • Noodle!
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    Noodle! polycounter lvl 8
    I'd agree that the last one is pretty poor. Fantastic art but very annoying to navigate and to get a quick overview.

    I think Pior up there has it nailed pretty good on his site. The title says he's a character artist and then you get instant character art.
    http://www.pioroberson.com/
  • dempolys
    Some of those are great.
    Personally Pior's has wayyy to many thumbnails for me to ever go through all that stuff without spending a long time. (Just my personal preference, and general laziness don't attack me plz).

    My favorite's are the foolproof portfolio's that literally have a seamless row of art in list format. I don't even have to click anything or go back/forth! All i need to do is scroll. Super easy to digest.

    Examples:

    http://www.emptyworks.com/
    http://www.richardjohnsmith.co.uk/
    http://gamekorean.com/taehoonoh/index.htm
    http://orbart.free.fr/index.php?Gallery=105
    http://www.adambromell.com/
    http://www.tylerwanlass.com/
    http://www.peperaart.com/
    http://www.benbolton.com/


    I just rarely have the patience to sit and click on like 15 thumbnails...
  • Ace-Angel
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    Ace-Angel polycounter lvl 12
    I honestly think people need to start thinking of another way to do stuff.

    Why not put up a thumbnail, which has several models on that pages which fall under the same category?

    Example:

    Low Poly (For single or projects pieces)
    Hard Surface (High medium poly)
    Sexy Ladies in High Heels (High medium poly)
    Starship Troopers (High medium poly)

    --

    Sketch
    Concept
    Porn

    I honestly feel page basis stacking is a much faster way to go about things. It's all up to you, but around 5-7 thumbnails which have a robust amount of work in them are much better way to deal with stuff.

    If you want to show more, keep a small tab on you right of the screen, call it something like 'Further Breaksdowns or MOAR stuff" and if someone wants to kill some time, they can look at the pictures with specific tags from there, no need to mess up your primary clicks.
  • Saman
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    Saman polycounter lvl 14
    Ace-Angel wrote: »
    I honestly think people need to start thinking of another way to do stuff.

    Why not put up a thumbnail, which has several models on that pages which fall under the same category?

    Example:

    Low Poly (For single or projects pieces)
    Hard Surface (High medium poly)
    Sexy Ladies in High Heels (High medium poly)
    Starship Troopers (High medium poly)

    --

    Sketch
    Concept
    Porn

    I honestly feel page basis stacking is a much faster way to go about things. It's all up to you, but around 5-7 thumbnails which have a robust amount of work in them are much better way to deal with stuff.

    If you want to show more, keep a small tab on you right of the screen, call it something like 'Further Breaksdowns or MOAR stuff" and if someone wants to kill some time, they can look at the pictures with specific tags from there, no need to mess up your primary clicks.

    It sounds like you're making things more complicated. Why not just have a thumbnail linked to a page where the end result lowpoly, highpoly, wireframe, textures etc are in for each model? Make sure you only keep the best pieces of your work, that way you have less thumbnails to worry about.
  • Ace-Angel
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    Ace-Angel polycounter lvl 12
    ^
    Actually that's what I meant, a single thumbnail which takes you to several images, and each "model" is a widrescreen image with all the breakdowns.

    The only things you categorized from the start is your personal preference of what you want to show as you strong pieces. And everything else can be listed by the side.
  • Schrodinger's Backface
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    Schrodinger's Backface polycounter lvl 6
    I don't mean to bump this but, I just wanted to thank everyone for their replies. I went away for Christmas and I just got back to discover a pretty good discussion going. You are all very helpful!

    As far as why I haven't posted anything, mostly it's because I am admittedly very new and I know that as proud as I am of my progress, everything I've made are still *my first pieces*. I was given good feedback by some profs so I'm spending my break making some new assets. I will post them on polycount so you guys can rip'em apart.

    Thank you again!
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