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http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/entertainment/125429613.html

If they improve the streaming quality and content, I'll stay on after the 1st. If they don't though, it will be yet another streaming service that I leave.

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  • gsokol
    I'm not happy about it. Being able to stream older content but get newer movies via mail was nice. I doubt that they will be making streaming more current. I don't want to pay them more monies.

    Is this their way of trying to fade out DVD's? I know they cost the company more money. I wonder if this will give Blockbuster/Family video a spike in business? I know I'll probably be opting to go there and keep streaming.
  • Slum
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    Fine with me! I got netflix 3 years ago. I got a single dvd that I still have not watched, still in the sleeve. No late fees! I guess I should send it back then huh?
  • notman
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    Their streaming still sucks, so I don't understand this split completely.
  • EarthQuake
    What is the issue you guys have with streaming? Lack of content? Or some technical problems?

    My wife and I love the streaming service, but we're not trying to watch the latest episode of the office or whatever(we have Hulu for that).

    I am annoyed that the rate for both services is going up to $20 though.
  • Jeremy-S
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    I don't rent dvd's from Netflix, if I want the DVD, I'll buy it.

    Basically I buy DVD's, and rent streaming, so it's not really gonna effect me right now. But for the people it does effect, that's a pretty big price increase. I see a lot of people leaving Netflix. Although they'll probably come right back after a month or two...

    Does anyone use Netflix/Hulu as a cable/satellite replacement? Just curious.
  • EarthQuake
    Jeremy-S wrote: »
    I don't rent dvd's from Netflix, if I want the DVD, I'll buy it.

    Basically I buy DVD's, and rent streaming, so it's not really gonna effect me right now. But for the people it does effect, that's a pretty big price increase. I see a lot of people leaving Netflix. Although they'll probably come right back after a month or two...

    Does anyone use Netflix/Hulu as a cable/satellite replacement? Just curious.

    Hehe thats funny, I basically stopped buying DVDs and sold most of mine when I started using Netflix, buying DVDs is a waste of money to me now. I've got a small selection of stuff I want to watch more than once, anything else I can wait 2 days for.

    We use Hulu/Netflix as a cable replacement, yeah. Its great, we watch a lot of stuff we otherwise wouldn't, and we spend a lot less time watching terrible shit *just because its the only thing on*. When you go off cable, you really realize how much just absolutely horrible TV shows you watch that you dont even like.
  • artstream
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    @ EQ, my current issue with streaming is that the content isn't that robust (they've been steadily updating recently though, so I'm hoping that continues) and the last few streaming things I've watched, the quality was pretty choppy.

    If they fix both of those things, I'll stick to just a streaming plan--don't watch the DVD's enough. But if streaming content gets worse, I'll probably close my account.
  • Jeremy-S
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    The only problems I've had with Netflix streaming has been on a couple of shows with out of sync audio, or being dubbed instead of subbed. The quality has always been fine.

    As far as show selection, I do wish it had more, but I'm pretty happy with what's there. It's too bad some of the movies have to expire, though. That sucks.

    Also, I buy DVD's cause I LOVE movies. There's several I've seen 10 times or more, and will watch again. I love the behind the scenes features of DVD's (there needs to be MORE behind the scenes features for games, dammit!), and the commentaries, and all the extra bits for some of my favorites. But I totally get why some people would see it as a waste of money (it kinda is), when there's streaming options available.
  • notman
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    EQ: For me, it's just been a lack on content. That's why I tried it a second time. I first tried back in the earlier days of streaming, and there wasn't much. I think I watched the Pixar biography thing, then pretty much crap after that. Since then, I had read that they would have new movies 30 days after the video release. So, when they started offering Trillian Pro for free with a netflix trial, I tried it again. There wasn't shit to watch, other than TV series', which I already watch/dvr when they air. Then, they rejected my free Trillian Pro too :P

    Streaming wise, it worked great. Even on the PS3, which I find in general, is terrible at streaming, because of weak buffering abilities. Their interface is horrible for finding stuff though. Oh, and anything that Eddie Murphy was involved with, was DVD only, unless it was his shit movies. I found it odd, since even his SnL video was DVD only, even though every other comedian was available.
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  • Mark Dygert
    Ok Valve, its time to expand Steam to incorporate movies. You need to come out with a tiny box that allows streaming movies and possibly an "OnLive" style service that would be awesome too but not really necessary.
  • ZacD
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    Netflix isn't doing this willingly, the movie studios want more money from them so they have to keep increasing their rates.
  • Justin Meisse
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    /coffeespit
    so you mean the Netflix master plan all along was to stream flix to me over the net!?

    I'm surprised they still even have the DVD by mail option, I'm fairly positive they'll drop the mail program entirely within the next few years.
  • Peris
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    people still use dvds?
  • Entity
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    What are dvd's?
  • notman
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    Blockbuster still has the best option IMO, for hard copies that is:
    https://www.blockbuster.com/signup/m/plan

    Theirs includes blu-ray and games. It's too bad they treated customer like shit in the past, because this is the perfect opportunity for them to recover some market share. Too bad they don't offer a streaming option.
  • Jeremy Tabor
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    Jeremy-S wrote: »

    Does anyone use Netflix/Hulu as a cable/satellite replacement? Just curious.

    My girlfriend and I do with Netflix streaming. and it works out just fine for me. I can catch an episode of Pawn stars or TNG before i head to bed. Thats about all i could ask for. She gets her SVU fix and its a happy day, lol

    although i do miss my sportscenter :(
  • Wells
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    just canceled my delivery.

    alls i need is my sweet sweet streaming
  • haiddasalami
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    Sucks having a download limit :(
  • Joshua Stubbles
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    My 1xDVD/Bluray+streaming is going from $13.13/mo to $17.98. 37% increase FTL.
    My cost won't increase until September though, so the end of August I'll drop back to just streaming. Then if I want a major rental I can just hit up Redbox.

    Netflix is lax on it's streaming shows though. Like they have Season 1 ONLY of Californication and Seasons 1-5 of Weeds, but not 6? Shit like that annoys me. It took them like 2yrs to get all of Top Gear on streaming. So annoying.

    The real fucking pisser here is Comcast. They have a 250GB data cap on internet (includes download AND upload combined). A normal HD film is nearly 10GB for something that's not noticeably compressed. That's only 25 movies per month. While in the scheme of things that's a lot, I tend to leave shows streaming on a monitor while I work. Then you add up other shit like Youtube, Hulu, torrents, tutorial videos and browsing art sites (big image downloads) - your bandwidth vaporizes pretty quick. In the past 6 months I've twice gone over the 250GB limit but luckily was not in the top 1% of "overusers" so I wasn't notified (went over by 32GB and 15GB, respectively). If you get notified twice in any duration of time, they cut you off from the internet for 1yr - no exceptions. Pretty bullshit IMO.

    With all of the content online right now, this limit should be doubled or better yet, eliminated. The internet really needs to be considered a basic utility, much like water and power, in that every person should have access to it no matter what, so long as they pay their bill. Carriers don't want that to happen but these days, internet access really should be a protected utility.

    Not only do we use it for entertainment and venting, but business, finances, education and communication. Forcefully cutting people away from that access is cruel.
  • Firebert
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    I miss laserdiscs.
  • jipe
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    It's weird the price hike is causing so much fuss; we're literally talking about an increase from $2/month to $8/month for one DVD at a time. Does anyone think $2/month is a sustainable price for unlimited DVD rentals? What if we were talking about games rentals? Hell, I used to pay over $4 for each new-release DVD and I had to spend twenty minutes getting to/from Blockbuster.

    Maybe the lesson here, which shouldn't really be a surprise, is that people want everything for free (or near-free).
  • David-J
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    jipe wrote: »
    It's weird the price hike is causing so much fuss; we're literally talking about an increase from $2/month to $8/month for one DVD at a time. Does anyone think $2/month is a sustainable price for unlimited DVD rentals? What if we were talking about games rentals? Hell, I used to pay over $4 for each new-release DVD and I had to spend twenty minutes getting to/from Blockbuster.

    Maybe the lesson here, which shouldn't really be a surprise, is that people want everything for free (or near-free).

    The problem for me it's not the amount of the hike. For me it's the lack of explanations from Netflix to do it.
    The service seems to remain the same it has been for years and all of a sudden they say they are going to charge more. If they said they are getting way more stuff on Instant Stream and they listed all of that new content that they are getting due to that extra money I think people wouldn't be that upset.
  • jipe
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    Good point. The spin they put on the price increase was pretty weak. They might have had better luck saying, "We've been using revenue from the streaming plans to subsidize the cost of buying and mailing DVDs [because $2/month almost certainly doesn't cover their costs] but with drastically increased costs to provide streaming in the near future, we need to make sure both units earn their keep or we'll go out of business." Perhaps a bit too straightforward and honest, but it's likely pretty close to the truth. The big studios see $$$ with their contract renewals coming up...
  • Mark Dygert
    Me: Netflix, why are you raising your rates?
    Netflix: Because we can.
    Me: So... isn't that douchebaggery? You hook people with one deal then switch it on them?
    Netflix: You can always take your business elsewhere... oh wait BWHAHAHAHAAAA!
    Me: Sum-b!tch... motha... why I atta... oh ok here's my card, have your way with it...
    /que 70's porn sound track


    EDIT: I've also heard they're looking to boost their stock price (wall street likes dick-ish cash grabs), raise some quick cash and make a few acquisitions. This helps those plans greatly.
  • haiddasalami
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    The real fucking pisser here is Comcast. They have a 250GB data cap on internet (includes download AND upload combined).

    Have 60gb :(
  • sicsided
    http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/13/new-netflix-nbcuniversal-deal-announced-extra-6-a-month-buys/
    In case you were wondering what the updated rates are buying, Netflix's first step in making its case for your $7.99 a month in streaming fees appears to be a renewal of its content deal with NBCUniversal.
  • Justin Meisse
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    lulz, I guess I didn't even realize there was a streaming only plan - I read this as "hey awesome, they are dropping their rates by $1"
  • TomDunne
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    Me: Netflix, why are you raising your rates?
    Netflix: Because we can.
    Me: So... isn't that douchebaggery? You hook people with one deal then switch it on them?
    Netflix: You can always take your business elsewhere... oh wait BWHAHAHAHAAAA!
    Me: Sum-b!tch... motha... why I atta... oh ok here's my card, have your way with it...
    /que 70's porn sound track


    EDIT: I've also heard they're looking to boost their stock price (wall street likes dick-ish cash grabs), raise some quick cash and make a few acquisitions. This helps those plans greatly.

    I think that's overlooking their situation a bit.

    When Netflix started streaming videos, they were the only ones to do it. That meant they could set the rates with studios. If someone like Universal or Paramount or whomever wanted any money at all for streaming content, they went to Netflix and took what Netflix was offering - no competition, so Netflix set the terms.

    Now, there's Amazon VOD, iTunes, Hulu+, etc. Netflix can't just go to the studios and demand low licensing fees like they could in 2008, because another company will just step in and offer the studios more. That drives costs up for all of the streaming services, including Netflix, and of course that cost gets passed along.

    You can already see the cost for Netflix in terms of lost media. Just last month, Netflix lost their rights to stream Sony movies due to contract rights. Netflix can still send out the physical DVDs, but Sony's not going to re-up the sweetheart deal for streaming properties - the tables have turned and now the property owners have Netflix over a barrel.

    Sony used to charge Netflix $30 million a year in streaming rights. According to the Netflix CEO, he anticipates that Sony will now demand nearly 7 TIMES as much, with $200 million a year. Netflix either raises prices to compensate or goes bankrupt paying higher fees and charging low streaming prices. That's just how the free market works, whether Netflix are douchbags or not.

    Here's an article with the Sony/Netflix story: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/18/sony-movies-netflix-instant-play-starz_n_879727.html
  • Mark Dygert
    Ahh that makes a bit more sense then what they've been saying about it over the last week. They really should play the underdog card and they would probably get more support.

    I wonder if Sony is gearing up to start its own service through PSN? It would make sense, it seems like streaming is going to be a huge part of the next console cycle. But then again they may not want BluRay to be replaced so quickly after spending so much to make sure it won the HD disc wars, which could explain why they could be asking for so much more from netflix... Trying to offset the cost of BluRay so they can push forward with something else. BUT that barely covers the cost of the hacking so... who knows...
  • TomDunne
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    I think Netflix is in a bit of a lose-lose situation about that. Their other option is basically to tell customers "we have to charge more because you can now stream movies from Amazon, iTunes, Hulu+, etc..." which is all but pointing their current subscriber base in the direction of other options. They might feel it's better to just say they're raising rates due to 'market changes' and end up looking like dicks than to specifically call attention to the fact that they're no longer the only game in town.

    I agree the underdog thing makes for better PR, but maybe that makes for an even bigger loss of subscriber base? Hard to say. Either way, it sure is funny when competition causes consumer prices to go up rather than down. The upside of capitalism is a little overrated sometimes.
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