HK 416/417 Wip Thread.
Hey guys, I was currently working on putting new stuff in my portfolio and was looking for comments on this gun I am currently making.
http://www.pixagogo.com/2715654219
This is my first hipoly gun and I believe i'm getting pretty far in the hipoly stage but some proportions and details haven't been refined yet. I don't really know that much about guns but tried to follow the reference image as closely as possible.
http://www.pixagogo.com/2715654219
This is my first hipoly gun and I believe i'm getting pretty far in the hipoly stage but some proportions and details haven't been refined yet. I don't really know that much about guns but tried to follow the reference image as closely as possible.
Replies
1. Top back end of the Upper, you're missing the Charging Handle.
2. Top rails are the wrong shape, same for the ones on the hand guard.
3. Edges on the bottom of the magwell need to be more rounded. It also has a slight incline to it, it is not parallel to the ground.
4. Back of the Upper and the Buttplate and enitre back of the Lower are completely the wrong shape. Check some perspective views of the HK416.
5. Ring around the start of the stock is missing.
6. Bottom details of the stock are slightly too wide.
7. Stock is missing the Carry strap ring.
8. Rings to the rear of the muzzle break are not raised, they go inward not out.
9. Proportions on the front sight are off, looks to low and fat. Missing details on it too.
10. Lower is missing the bolt catch, which sits above and to the right of the mag release area on the magwell.
11. Missing Small details around the fire selector switch.
12. Combat Sight is missing the eye piece covers and the adjustment dial is too small and in the wrong position, it is more vertical and not off the the right side.
Some of these can be added with floaters and don't need to be modeled in. Can you post a view of the other side?
I suggest you redo the Upper and Lower as the separate pieces they are in real life. Makes them easier to do and more accurate. Google up some references of disassembled HK416 and even AR-15/M4/M16s to see how they connect and their basic shapes. Nail those first then add in the supports for the sub-d operation.
Google: Picatinny Rail
On a side note there are two rail systems, Picatinny and Weaver. The HK416 from his refs looks like a Picatinny rail so I used that image.
I've changed a few proportions and missing objects and the shapes of a few objects (the picatinny rails), the right side of the gun is still far from finished while the left is still missing quite a few things. I was wondering if someone remembered the racer 445 trick to make turbosmoothed text inside MAX?
Thanks for the info vf501!
I really don't know anything about guns. If you or someone else had some time, could you do a very quick paintover of the stuff I have to look at to change? I'll make the lower and upper receiver part seperate, it's a good idea.
The image might have some rough shading on a few parts but it's basically because of the floaters that will be tweaked before baking time.
For the text go shapes> splines > text and add bevel modifier. I'm sure you can then figure it out.
edit :
I thinned out the general gun, I think it's turning out better. There aren't that much 3/4 views of the gun in my references so it makes the job harder. I think i'm not too far away from starting the low poly with some of my modifications.
The buttstock will probably stay a bit the same, In my opinion it would only highten the polycount and create some shading issues at certain areas. Also, it would take time out of the job that could be better placed on other parts that would be much more visible in first person view.
(i'll update with new renders soonish)
Please shoot me some new opinions or observations though! (some parts on the gun are still missing and will be added such as the ring at the base of the buttstock and the lettering and small details)
Changed proportions and added some doodads. I still have to merge the right and left side of the gun at the reciever.
The back area around the charging handle is the part that is off still.
Airsoft version, but it is accurate to the real thing. Notice how the Charging Handle ends nearly on top of the lower and doesn't sit above the stock at all.
Notice how in this picture the Rail section and the Slot for the charging handle terminate at the end of the upper, and the rear most parts of the main body are entirely the lower. With the charging handle again ending before going over the stock. Look at refs for a AR-15/M4 Lower, perspective views of the back of them. The general shape of AR-15 lowers is the same as HK416 lowers.
AR-15. Uses a Direct Impingement Gas System
HK416. Similar design to a AR-15, but uses a Gas Piston System
Majority of the parts have similar forms with small differences here and there. Internals are another matter.
Google is great for finding references.
Upper
Lower
I've been working on a M4 Carbine off and on since I do 3D has a hobby. Been staring at various references till my eyes bleed to get familiar with its shape and overall form. Reworked the Upper and Lower several times for accuracy and still adjusting parts of it.
As far as your model goes, your vertical grip needs to be shorter and thicker and your magazine is all wrong at this point.
Iron sights could use a bit more attention too, there are some nice close up shots in that archive so take a look.
Thanks guy's! I'll check it out today!
the current tiangle count is at 8200 tris. Is it considered too much for an FPS?
Some other areas are screwy but I'll get to them. I just didn't have time to work on them yet.
I'm just really looking forward to texturing right now. I generally burn myself out on the lowpoly and start another hipoly instead.
Do you mean backface the normals? It isn't the problem, I already checked.
airsoft refs I assume?
Some of them are :P
The bottom plate of the magazine is in the file, I just didn't add it to the object yet.
also, why is my normal map coming out like this?
Edit : quote is not edit...
just a problem though, when I import the object, it's an editable mesh and looks like this :
When I change it to an editable poly :
What gives?
Nope, flipping or unifying the normals don't change the results.
I'll start with the most obvious thing since I have to hit the sack.
The ribs on the magazine are stamped *inwards*, not protruding.
Please, please please go back to your photo reference and look over it harder. There are a lot of easily correctable mistakes on the upper and lower receiver, the magazine well, the railed handguard, the gasblock, the magazine itself, the buttstock... And more importantly, you need to decide for sure which weapon you're modeling. The 416 is a 5.56x45mm rifle that can take STANAG 5.56mm magazines. The 417 is a 7.62x51mm weapon and is, for all intents and purposes, a completely different rifle with different dimensions. Sort out which one is which in your references, make sure you're not mixing together details, and make another refinement pass.