it's over! the great game of UV-puzzling is dead!

Flaringo · Feb 2010

or maybe not, who knows.

anyways, i present you this link:
http://www.pixologic.com/zbrush/features/UV-Master/

arrangemonk · Feb 2010

http://boards.polycount.net/showthread.php?t=70356
ehem

Tom Ellis · Feb 2010

http://boards.polycount.net/showthread.php?p=1084607

It looks interesting, but surely working this way means your base mesh pre-sculpt needs to be the final low poly?

Tom Ellis · Feb 2010

EDIT:

ArrangeMonk beat me to it!

Flaringo · Feb 2010

oh look at that!

i swear i looked before posting!

Anuxinamoon · Feb 2010

but I like UV unwrapping

this just takes all the fun out of it.

Gilgamesh · Feb 2010

Anuxinamoon wrote: »

but I like UV unwrapping

this just takes all the fun out of it.

So do I, I find it cathartic and it improves my calm

Ruz · Feb 2010

well yo could just import your final in game mesh and uv that if you like

Anuxinamoon · Feb 2010

Gilgamesh wrote: »

So do I, I find it cathartic and it improves my calm

Yeah, always good to have some technical in there to unravel the tangles brought about by making art.

arrangemonk · Feb 2010

also: damy you pixologic for ruining our mantra (lol)

but its really alot better to have actual uvmaps for a sculpt than those fuzzwuzz uv chunks

Karmageddon · Feb 2010

I just gave a lecture on unwrapping this morning D=

Vrav · Feb 2010

The machines will never replace good-old-fashioned, lovingly handcrafted UVs!

.. or will they. Provides a nice start, for now.

MoP · Feb 2010

Slightly OT, but...

In the long run, I'm of the opinion that UVs are going to cease to exist for higher-end games (maybe sooner than you think).

Very powerful voxel-driven engines are already being developed, tools like Polypaint in ZBrush are being developed, and while these are in their infancy I can see them replacing "flat" unwrapped textures. If your vertex density is high enough you can just store colour per vertex or per voxel, at which point UVs are completely unnecessary.

woogity · Feb 2010

i agree mop, dunno if its a good thing, but those would have to be a ways down the road im sure.

Tried out the tool really dig the ao tiles, the painting seemed a little buggy to me, but probably because my model was only around 2k. Regardless you can always just export the tiles edit them traditionally and bring it back for poly paint and it will still save you a TON of time.

i want the next app from them to be subtool folders...that is all just something to organize that a bit better.

Parnell · Feb 2010

I don't see UV unwrapping going away anytime soon. In some ways I find a good unwrapped model is WAAAAY easier to texture than trying to paint it all on a 3D object.
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Sage · Feb 2010

Parnell that's because 3d paint software suck compared to photoshop cs 2 or lower. Oh snap!

I think it it's about time they copied photoshop standards like shift click or hold shift to paint in a straight line...

j_bradford · Feb 2010

Well if they just refined Photoshop's 3d painting feature we'd be good to go.

Sage · Feb 2010

you mean if you could paint like in photoshop cs 2 without lag with a wacom in photoshop cs 4 extended. At this time I don't consider photoshop cs 4 extended an upgrade.

Maybe it was the guy's machine though, I mean all he had was a quadcore.

I'm sure that's the problem.

danr · Feb 2010

i like physically pulling a mesh apart, mapping it, and then putting it back together with a morph target. In fact, morph targets are for gaybummers - really you should be picking pivots, rotating your elements from them, and then rotating the elements back from the same pivot points (that you've written down on a piece of paper that potentially the cleaner hasn't thrown away)

you kids

(this tool looks ace by the way)

leslievdb · Feb 2010

i`d rather see photoshop painting in zbrush then 3d painting in photoshop imo

anyway uvmaster is working great for me so far, couldn`t have come at a better time

Yozora · Feb 2010

I like UVing, its like a addictive mini game

almighty_gir · Feb 2010

MoP wrote: »

Slightly OT, but...

In the long run, I'm of the opinion that UVs are going to cease to exist for higher-end games (maybe sooner than you think).

Very powerful voxel-driven engines are already being developed, tools like Polypaint in ZBrush are being developed, and while these are in their infancy I can see them replacing "flat" unwrapped textures. If your vertex density is high enough you can just store colour per vertex or per voxel, at which point UVs are completely unnecessary.

with hardware tesselation coming in, that could easily be the case.

MRico · Feb 2010

I like UVing too.

It helps me find little fuck ups on the mesh....like unwelded verts.

PhattyEwok · Feb 2010

AutopsySoldier wrote: »

I like UVing too.

It helps me find little fuck ups on the mesh....like unwelded verts.

in Max Turbo smooth does this well too lol I feel ya though :thumbup:

I often think as games progress more and more, and the art form itself becomes easier to express oneself, will losing techniques such as Uv mapping and 2d-texturing make the art better or will newer art pieces lose that "soul" that I tend to feel when I look at flats?

I can definitely see tools like this converging various techniques into one sandbox of 3d art tools and so in affect making it easier for the artist to hit the ground running, but will this also be zbrush mud monster's all over? Food for thought I guess....

I'll have to wait to find out as I hopefully progress in my 3d art.

Sage · Feb 2010

I think uvs will be part of the past too, I was thinking this a long time ago and posted about this. Pretty soon will be seeing characters that lose chunks of their flesh when they get shot, things like that, burning flesh, etc. So artist will have to be able to deal with looking and modeling the insides of human, I know some people will think it's gross, but once the technology is there I'm sure people are going to want to make use of it. I find the uv stage very helpful in finding mistakes, what isn't very helpful is how 3d paint programs haven't added photoshop and other windows applications ease of use standards. The shift to constraints motion, copy paste, alt to copy things, etc. This should of been there a decade ago. If I remember correctly most of this ease of use was in windows 3.1 so adobe can't say oh I did it I'm original. What wasn't there was the shift click, which to be honest felt like a bug to me, but then realized it was useful. If an app can copy the dodge and burn feature of photoshop they should have the other stuff too.

They copy a shitty tool but they can't copy the useful things. Nice.

Isaiah Sherman · Feb 2010

Gilgamesh wrote: »

So do I, I find it cathartic and it improves my calm

I've heard cannabis does the same.... of course, how should I know...

I've been using Headus UV Layout for a few years and I'll be happy to try out another package. UV Layout is pretty nice, but if it's right in Zbrush then it's less programs to jump between!

Entity · Feb 2010

I love unfold3d

Tenchi · Feb 2010

I happen to like UV unwrapping, sure there's a lot of problems that you have to scratch your head over and I'm never able to use just the single program, but it's a great feeling when you get a decent UV map at the end. Maybe I'm just a masochist?

Still I suppose it lets us concentrate on the more artistic things?

it's over! the great game of UV-puzzling is dead!

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