[UDK] Overgrown Warehouse

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UPDATE: I stopped working on this back in March, but decided to pick it up again for my portfolio. I rebuilt just about everything, including new textures.

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--Old stuff--

After getting some great feedback on my portfolio(still looking for input), I decided to try and bust out a scene before Sunday. If I'm not 100% done by then, that's alright, but I'm aiming to get as much of the main stuff done as possible.

My goal is to utilize a lot of tiling textures for this and vertex paint everything. Nothing too complex as far as models go right now, but after GDC I may revisit some parts.

Here are some refs I'm following:
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Abandon-Warehouse-1-CD7WH2UXIP-1600x1200.jpg
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I'm following the layout of the concept the most, but with some details from the two photographs.

Blockout:
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shot2.JPG

Task list:
- Finish tiling textures for everything (the roof mesh is UVed, because I baked down the normals for the panels)
- Get more foliage done(already have a few things)
- Small props: mattress, beer bottles, glass shards, broken concrete/wood, wires,
- Graffiti decals

Technical goals:
- Vertex paint the walls, ground, and roof
- Have a tiling alpha that moves through the UV space of the roof texture, so I can reuse the same mesh and get different holes
- DX11 tessellation on some of the textures
- I would like to rebuild a portion of the UDK vertex wind shader, so there's some movement for the plants, especially the ones outside, but that's the last thing on my mind right now

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  • JamieRIOT
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    There is something throwing the scale off here. I think the barrels could be slightly too big.
  • leleuxart
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    JamieRIOT wrote: »
    There is something throwing the scale off here. I think the barrels could be slightly too big.

    Yeah, you're right. They were made for something else and scale wasn't a concern then. I thought I sized them down when I imported them, guess not haha.

    Here's a small update. I ran into a few problems with how I did some of the assets, so I had to backtrack.

    Currently, there is a base texture for the wall, base textures for the ground, and textures on the beams and roof panels. The roof panels are just a flat color with a normal bake and an opacity mask based on the world position. I need to re-do that and also figure out why it's casting the same shadow from each mesh :poly127: Also the ground texture is using vertex painting, with one channel for a wet version(which doesnt look wet in this lighting, actually) and another channel using tessellation to push down the mesh, so a water texture can show when I do one.

    shot3.JPG

    And some foliage in Marmoset. Still want to do a few more things, like various types of weeds and some larger stuff.

    foliage.jpg
  • leleuxart
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    Didn't get too much done today, unfortunately, so I'm staying up tonight to catch up.

    Here is a shot from earlier today and a paintover of where I want to take it by Saturday.

    shot4.JPG

    Paintover
    shot4_paint.jpg

    Essentially, I'd like to have a good first pass of the lighting and PP done. I'm thinking dusty and mid-day, with strong highlights like in the first photo and the rays like in the concept.

    For foliage, I'd like to get much of the outer area, closer to the wall, covered with grass and whatnot, with some coming through the cracks in the ground. I also want to get some big bushes and trees coming through the windows.

    There's a few things left out of the paintover, but there's some other things I'd like to add in the end. I'll do another one closer to the weekend
  • Sharvo
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    One thing that bugs me is that all the shadows on the wall are identical from your roof panels. I would suggest like in your refrence of having one that is not damaged and one that is damaged. And that the damaged one might be two panels so that you can rotate it and get some variation out of it. Also i think that the ground could do with an extra normal map maybe. Atr the moment you have no indication of how that grass is coming through... Normally through cracks.


    Structualy the roof isnt attached to the building and those girders arent doing much at supporting the build.


    I know its still early days but these things are well worth investigating at the beginning of the project rather than later down the line...
  • leleuxart
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    Sharvo wrote: »
    One thing that bugs me is that all the shadows on the wall are identical from your roof panels. I would suggest like in your refrence of having one that is not damaged and one that is damaged. And that the damaged one might be two panels so that you can rotate it and get some variation out of it. Also i think that the ground could do with an extra normal map maybe. Atr the moment you have no indication of how that grass is coming through... Normally through cracks.


    Structualy the roof isnt attached to the building and those girders arent doing much at supporting the build.


    I know its still early days but these things are well worth investigating at the beginning of the project rather than later down the line...

    The shadow bugs me too. I haven't figured out a way to fix it yet. My panels are actually set up to use a tiling mask for opacity as they move through world space, so all the panels have different holes, but for some reason, UDK is making them cast shadows as if the texture was applied the same way to all of them. Having a better variety for the holes is part of the plan, just haven't done a better mask texture yet.

    I agree, there definitely needs to be some more definition to the ground. My material I'm using right now is an older one. I think I'm gonna swap out some of the textures and model some large tiles in the ground.

    I should look at some of my other photos for more examples of the supporting the roof. I noticed the concept and first photo both have those larger beams, so that'll be one thing, but I think some more beams between the roof and triangle supports will help as well. Thanks for pointing that out
  • leleuxart
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    I stopped working on this back in March, but decided to pick it up again for my portfolio. I rebuilt just about everything, including new textures.

    KnJuR6A.jpg
    pkOSnNE.jpg

    Nothing is final and I'm still missing a few things.

    What I'd like to do:
    - Puddles on the ground
    - Few types of plants/grass variations
    - More ground clutter(dirty mattresses, broken beams, wood + the plants)
    - Better lighting/shadow quality across everything(already at a really high lightmap res :()
    - Light shafts
    - Wall decals and a dusty look on everything
    - More beams like in the concept
  • fragfest2012
    The new roof looks much better. I would recommend you go through at some point and add some wall variations with broken pieces, and maybe add in a vertex shader that has not only water puddles, but also cracks in the ground. The key is getting the proper transition (and you will need to moderately tessellate your geometry.

    Anyways, I may pop in sometime later and give more feedback.
  • leleuxart
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    Thanks Fragfest2012, I do plan on doing some brick variations, but I'm waiting until I get the graffiti done. No point in spending time on the bricks if most will be covered up. I'll probably do a Normal map variant still.


    Here's a current progress shot(added some grass and a large bush-thing, puddles on the ground, more beams in the roof, and worked with the lighting a little) and a paintover. I'm still throwing around the idea of other props for the place, probably a lot of spraycans and a cheap ladder, and maybe an old mattress or two? I'd like to get a few other variations of grass and weeds too.

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  • wirrexx
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    Looking good. I like the progress!

    Ok so my crits.

    The grass seems to be to saturated, doesnt fit witht he whole mod of the scene. Can be that the Shadows under the grass is missing. Can be that its way to green atm.

    The new roof is really coming along great! love it!
  • snow
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    The grass is far too dense inside and lacks fidelity. I'd suggest making thinner strands of grass, and desaturate the texture heavily, then place out clumps that sprout from a central point. Remember it's growing out of small patches of dirt on the concrete, or cracks in it, so you can't go too bonkers with it.

    Keep at it.
  • leleuxart
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    wirrexx wrote: »
    Looking good. I like the progress!

    Ok so my crits.

    The grass seems to be to saturated, doesnt fit witht he whole mod of the scene. Can be that the Shadows under the grass is missing. Can be that its way to green atm.

    The new roof is really coming along great! love it!
    snow wrote: »
    The grass is far too dense inside and lacks fidelity. I'd suggest making thinner strands of grass, and desaturate the texture heavily, then place out clumps that sprout from a central point. Remember it's growing out of small patches of dirt on the concrete, or cracks in it, so you can't go too bonkers with it.

    Keep at it.

    Thanks guys! I agree about the grass. I was playing around with a new method for me with grass, which was starting with some of the fibers in Maya. I completely overlooked them growing from a central point. I did make a line of grass that was going to be placed in the cracks in my texture, but didn't like how they came out. Could because they're too dense, like you said, snow. I'll get back to working on those and doing a few more foliage variations.

    Could I get some feedback regarding the concept? Keep in mind there will be a few other things, like spray cans and mattresses, but anything else I could add? I'm trying to figure out what the major aspect of my project could be, like a good high-poly model worth showing off or something else I could show off individually on my portfolio, instead of just shots of the environment.

    Sorry about the update without work. I just really wanted to ask that^ before I head off to work :)
  • Sharvo
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    Sharvo keyframe
    Concept/Story - this is where your artistic flair/ideas come in to play. I have my own ideas. But what are yours?

    What was this building used for? Examples; storage facility, vehicle garage, weapon range etc.

    Why is it derelict? (if it is) Is it occupied?

    Where in the world is this place? Will reflect grafitti, signs, logos etc.

    What time period/situation is this? Past, Present or future?

    As always was there a zombie outbreak and this is a safe haven for someone,group of people? Or is it in a world of robots hunting people?

    So many questions and ideas and its not even my project. I would sugegst gettingpen and paper and coming down with a firm idea of what you want and we can help push that :)
  • gumustdo
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    Nice going man. Maybe grass is a bit too green.

    Try placing a mockup character (maybe a character mesh in udk) around your scene. It might help with giving you a better sense of scale.

    And you will know exactly about scale relation between your props and character.
  • leleuxart
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    Sharvo: Those are some good ideas! My original goal was to follow the concept, but it does lack a story within the environment. The character adds to it, but the environment itself was pretty bland. I decided to just go with a derelict warehouse that's overgrown, with a slight hint at a past homeless occupancy(as told by the barrels, bottles, and mattresses- which aren't in yet), but maybe that's not really enough.

    Gumustdo: I agree with you. I've messed with the meshes and the texture a little, but I think I may re-do my grass texture and get a few variations to use.

    Here are some minor updates. Progress is still slow, I'm a little burnt out on this and UDK. I want to go back to CryEngine :poly124:

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    More goals:
    - Finish highpoly for concrete pillars on right and mattresses
    - Re-do grass and do more foliage variations
    - Finish graffiti decal
    - Finish lighting/post-process(and get shadows from the grass!)
    - Other assets that help with the story? Broken pieces of roof? Broken glass shards? Beatup normal for the bricks?
    - More 'overgrown' signs, like more decals on the wall, more grass, and more broken stuff?
    - Mesh light beams

    E: Is it possible to get better lit particles like this? My material is lit with a specular mask and the particle is set to receive dynamic lights. It doesn't react that well to the light coming through the windows. I'd like the dust to move through the light and be seen, then kind of disappear outside of the light. I also forgot to add light beams to my goal list, maybe I could fake the effect in the material?
  • leleuxart
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    Haven't updated in awhile. I keep getting distracted with the materials and tweaking them. So far, I've added some decals for rust, moss, and graffiti. Did a highpoly sculpt for the mattress and some textures to be used later. Decided to spend some time tonight working on lighting and post. I really wanted to get the Bokeh DOF for the particles like in The Last of Us. Still have to tweak it, but it's working pretty well.

    Struggling on to go with HDR or not. I like the HDR, but I do think the highlights need to be toned down a little on the wall.

    965700_1394207800797635_381731098_o.jpg

    (Not the final bake, I went back and added some more tears. Will probably add more in the texture pass though)
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    Basic weathered concrete texture from ZBrush. Using AO in Diffuse and height as Spec.
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  • Hayden Zammit
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    Looks like its got potential. Want to echo what was said earlier about story. I think you need to focus on getting the props in there. Even if they're just rough. At the moment there's nothing here to catch the eye.
  • leleuxart
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    Looks like its got potential. Want to echo what was said earlier about story. I think you need to focus on getting the props in there. Even if they're just rough. At the moment there's nothing here to catch the eye.

    I agree. I've been trying to figure out what I could turn this into, but I'm not the best at coming up with ideas. I did some more reference searching today for new ideas. I don't have much of an update, but I'd like to get some feed back on these options

    1) Abandoned quarantine checkpoint/station/etc. I'm not sure how reasonable it would be to have it in a warehouse. I'd have things like tables with containers, cots, plastic sheets covering the door and windows, and maybe some items left behind from the people that were there? Some more research is definitely required for this one.

    2) Standard storage warehouse with pallets of materials, but it's been abandoned and now used as a drug stash. This would give me more options for high-poly models for the portfolio, like this and some of the tools used for transporting the pallets.

    3) A hacker hideout. Some servers, tables with laptops, etc. Inspired by the scene with Silva in Skyfall. The only problem is the issue with heat.

    And continuing on with the idea of having people living here, I did some more research with squatters and have a few ideas for that.

    And a picture so this isn't just text. I haven't changed much, just tweaked the HDR, made another particle system that's in the open areas so it looks like they're lit, and removed the grass to remind me to make new ones.

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  • amile duan
    Very nice textures,but the bottles have the same color with those beams in your early image,seems like purple,that's not so match with this scene I think.
  • leleuxart
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    Quick update for something I was considering. I'm not sure if I like these, because they block so much of the scene. Dot-111 tankers being left behind to rust. Some rail beams, tools, etc. on the sides.

    Been playing a lot of The Last of Us and Crysis 2 though, so a makeshift quarantine environment is still on the mind :)

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  • aajohnny
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    It's coming along, great work so far. I think the ground needs a bit more love. Try adding some cracks in the pavement where the grass is growing out, maybe add chunks of ground too. The wear on the ground too is a bit too low res, doesn't match up with the main texture, not sure if its vertex paint or a decal? either way maybe try adding more resolution there? Anyways its coming along nicely :)
  • leleuxart
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    aajohnny wrote: »
    It's coming along, great work so far. I think the ground needs a bit more love. Try adding some cracks in the pavement where the grass is growing out, maybe add chunks of ground too. The wear on the ground too is a bit too low res, doesn't match up with the main texture, not sure if its vertex paint or a decal? either way maybe try adding more resolution there? Anyways its coming along nicely :)

    Thanks! I went ahead and fixed some of the tiling and sharpness. No update from the engine though, I've been putting this on hold to work on my CE3 scene. But the login servers are down so I can't work on that, so it's back to this for now. Changed some things around and have a few new ideas of where I want to go.

    Here's a simple ladder with one normal. Just trying out things. The flat planes are going to be duct tape with just photo normals. Really excited to texture this. I'll probably do a dDo pass just for the hell of it.

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  • leleuxart
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    Textured and in UDK. Did another new graffiti decal and tweaked the lighting a little bit, but more of that later.

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  • leleuxart
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    Another asset I've been meaning to do. Even though these assets have been rather simple, I've still been experimenting with new things(which is why I've put some of them off). The wood is a combination of a dDo'd wood texture from a Zbrush sculpt with a photo overlay and some painting. In this shot, the wood is using a 512x1024 on a 2048x2048 atlas sheet and the metal is on 2048x512. I think the final in UDK is using a step down, so 256x512 and 1024x256 respectively in the end.

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