DirectX 11 version 3.4 cryengineSDK is ready
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I have put off any cryengine concentration till this day, so I have my fingers crossed that alot of bugs have been squashed as well.
It seems that even though they must not have the resources to be as aggressive as Epic with release advancements ( but who else does ). Yet it inspires confidence knowing that they are commited to big releases for the CryEngine Free SDK.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5nB9u4jjy4&hd=1"]CryENGINE 3 SDK 3.4.0 Trailer - YouTube[/ame]
crydev 3.4.4 release thread: ( usually has quick feedback on the hits and misses with each new release )
http://www.crydev.net/viewtopic.php?f=369&t=88043
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It's soup...
were there...
it's not only in the mail, it's in your mailbox...
Download Now!
I have put off any cryengine concentration till this day, so I have my fingers crossed that alot of bugs have been squashed as well.
It seems that even though they must not have the resources to be as aggressive as Epic with release advancements ( but who else does ). Yet it inspires confidence knowing that they are commited to big releases for the CryEngine Free SDK.
[ame="
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5nB9u4jjy4&hd=1"]CryENGINE 3 SDK 3.4.0 Trailer - YouTube[/ame]crydev 3.4.4 release thread: ( usually has quick feedback on the hits and misses with each new release )
http://www.crydev.net/viewtopic.php?f=369&t=88043
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On a side note, I wonder if Crytek has any plans to create a node-based shader editor. Their current, rigid material editor is the only problem I have with CE.
New filmic hdr tonemapper is finally working as it should(and even better
DX11 do not work on Radeons. Don't try it.
Now im waiting for proper DX11 terrain solution with new tools, new texturing, and fixed accuracy problems ;p.
I love the new Filmic HDR rendering, although you'll need to tweak your old ToD's and glossiness values of old materials.
Also, Helder, what's changed about glossiness?
Wait, I thought we could edit the HLSL of the shader at its core and change, as we see fit, isn't that the case anymore?
Also, I checked the current shaders they have in hopes of modding them to my own tastes, but they were encrypted, so I would very much be interested in 'source' shaders access.
I always thought their deffered rendering system a big reason why they don't allow for custom shaders, or more varied BRDFs, is that right?
Forgive me if I'm totally wrong on that one.
I don't have a DX11 card so I don't know, but how does UDK handle custom shaders in their deferred mode?
Yes. I'm not big expert. But material shaders are build on top of system and communicated with base shaders. At least I think it work like that.
Asiade from that. I don't really need shader editor. But I'd like to have node material editor. With access to RGBA channels of files, less check boxes (that overrride diffrent slots for difrent reasons, making sometimes impossible to use certain combinations of textures), and some very basic math operations (Multiply, Lerp, Add), and UV mapping of course.
Custom shaders as in materials in UDK? You can have any kind of material you want, with some restrictions:
Why Crytek, WHY would you limit people doing stuff with shaders!
This is pretty much all I'm hoping for. I'm not knowledgeable enough to make anything complex but it is a bit annoying that CE doesn't offer even such basic access to the materials and textures. I've been doing some big (size-wise) assets lately and it really pained me to see that I couldn't even scale my maps independently from one another other.
That said, Im guessing there might be some technical reasons that prevent them from letting people fiddle too much.
Shaders can get crazy expensive for performance if you overdo them, so having limitations like this can be a good thing, you just need to learn how to use them and just spend your scarce time making art and less fiddling around with shaders and mathematical operations. :poly142:
Just curious, is there anything in specific that you guys can't do with this material editor?
Quite a lot of things actually :poly142:
Being unable to change the tilling of individual texture maps is by far my biggest problem. Making a large mesh that uses a unique normal map and a tilling diffuse is currently impossible (at least in the SDK version). Scaling the spec independently from diffuse is also not supported and I often tend to do that as a cheap way of breaking up the repetition on large surfaces.
I can think of situations where having a direct access to RGBA channels and being able to use basic mathematical operations (Add/Power/Multiply) could allow me to get the same (or even more complex) visual results while using less texture maps. Deriving Spec from the Diffuse may not be a good practice, but can do a good job when you're dealing with simple materials such as wood or concrete. In other cases, creating a unique mask texture for vertex blending may not be necessary and similar results can be achieved by deriving one from the channels of diffuse, spec or normal map textures.
Overall, I think that the current setup is quite good when it comes to creating materials for assets that rely on unique texture maps - no setup necessary, just plug your maps in and you're good to go. But when you start making large assets that rely on tiling textures, I feel that's when the limitations become apparent.
What you could do tho, to break up your tillable textures and add more interest to it, is make use of the detail map function. You can use a RGBA texture as a "detail jack of all trades" texture. Just plug it into the detail map slot, tick "detail map" in the shader generation param, tweak the strength of each individually and the tilling.
R = Gloss Tilling Map
G = Normal Map X
B = Difuse Tilling Map
A = Normal Map Y
Yes, that's what bothers me the most; the functionality appears to be there, but unfortunately it's unavailable right now. I will check later how the tilling works for the Opacity and Custom slots. The last time I tried they all seemed to be locked to the tilling value of the Diffuse. I recall it was possible to adjust the tiling of the mask used in the Blend Layer, by tweaking one of the values in the Shader Params, but that option doesn't appear to be there anymore (I'm on 3.3.9).
Wow, thanks a lot for this
Edit:
Hmm, the documentation seem to be correct after all. Just tried this and the only settings I see are the ones controlling U/V tilling and the intensity of the normals. I will have to get 3.4.0 and see if its any different.