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well, my monster of a homepage is looking a bit rough these days, it's basically had bits bolted on over the past 4 years, mangling it from any real purpose I actually set out the last time I re-designed it.

So I've come up with a new design, it's floating my boat so far. I hope to run the site totally in wordpress - the current site has 100+ pages so I need a decent CMS.

the plan is to run it for 1024x768 as the lowest rez, and font big enough to read without being hunched over licking the screen. Designers should start taking more hints from print. Also I want users to be able to read my site on plasma screens without having to up the font size.

My only worry is the font rendering on windows, so I'll have to do a few tests to see where windows starts smoothing fonts, if it doesn't smooth 14pt - 16pt thne it may look weird.

The layout was done entirely in Illustrator (I usually use photoshop), and I can humbly recommend trying it out. Really gives you a feeling for fonts, grids and all that jazz. Helps you think about CSS, not bitmaps.

Any feed back is welcome, good or bad.
Oh, and it's a wide one alright

http://www.dadako.com/forums/newsite.png (illustrator layout)

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  • Toomas
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    Toomas polycounter lvl 18
    I think that the newspapery design works really well.
  • thnom
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    thnom polycounter lvl 18
    I don't like the first paragraph about dadako.com - not the content but 4 out of 5 lines end on a -, which doesn't read nice at all. If you've used Illustrator you should be able to fix that with leading (i think thats what its called.. the space between letters).

    Really don't like the bottom right and the anti-IE tone, but thats your choice I suppose, just feels a bit ignorant - and with the link to stopie.com. I understand its not your choice but a Mac isn't my choice - I don't prech windows to people.

    I like the design as a whole, I'd perhaps use more burgandy than orange.. give it a bit more of a mixed feeling. Nice as a whole, though.
  • hawken
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    hawken polycounter lvl 19
    yeah fortunately you can't set a browser to hyphenate sentences, that won't appear in the final thing. Not sure how to stop illustrator from hyphenating frown.gif

    Well I'm glad it's only the content you have issues with smile.gif I'll probably change it later but had to have some text to fill the holes.

    I am anti IE because it wastes my time, and other designers time. In fact I guess most web designers will tell you that while they try to make sites that are compatible using standards, debugging things to work in IE take up the most time because IE doesn't follow all standards or interprets them differently... no-where do I state that I am anti windows smile.gif opera and firefox are perfectly good windows browsers, you might want to check them out if you've never heard of them thumbup.gifcrazy.gif lol

    (I may just switch it out for an apple logo and a picture of steve jobs though)
  • noritsune
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    noritsune polycounter lvl 17
    I think setting the text of the paragraph to be justified right and left would look more sophisticated. can't you eliminate hyphens within Illustrator by typing a soft return (shift-return) at the place you want the line to break?

    The overall design of the homepage is a little bit of a turnoff for me because it doesnt feel like an artist's portfolio. now I do realize that your site is filling a lot more roles than a regular artist's portfolio site - but the first visual impressions I get from this design are those of a news site, a mega-portal site made for processing thousands of hits, or maybe even a blog template. seeing your artwork on the left saves it somewhat, but the initial impression is a lot dryer and "uncreative" than I would hope a site for your art would be.

    I mean the illustrations you have thumbnailed are really cool and offbeat, but the design of the overall page feels so dry. newsy.

    course this is all just my opinion. and my opinion is the minority, more often than not. grin.gif

    also I think you misspelled "Ideologies"
  • CheapAlert
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  • _Shimmer
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    Great design so far. Some points:

    I think the standard text should be smaller, set to grouped style with a higher line spacing.

    It feels very compressed right now..
  • pior
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    pior grand marshal polycounter
    Too much text. Sadly, web is 'not' print!

    I checked it on a laptop screen, it all seems too big... Also, I thing that some breathing space on the sides might help. I have seen many websites changing their layout to 'fullwidth' 1024 recently, and when displayed on an actual 1024 laptop screen it really feels overbusy.

    I just quoted the points of criticism, because the nices points are obvious!

    Can't wait to see more.
  • hawken
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    hawken polycounter lvl 19
    thanks for the comments, keep em coming smile.gif

    The reason the font is so huge is because I just realised this guys is right: http://www.informationarchitects.jp/100e2r
  • hawken
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    hawken polycounter lvl 19
    [ QUOTE ]
    disciplines.

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    bah. I guess I'll have to run the lot through a spell checker, good find!
  • MoP
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    MoP polycounter lvl 18
    [ QUOTE ]
    The reason the font is so huge is because I just realised this guys is right: http://www.informationarchitects.jp/100e2r

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    Ah, but the main reason for what they're talking about is actually the excess of text, not entirely the size of it... sure, lots of tiny text is bad, but lots of big text is nearly as bad.
    You want big text, just less of it. IMHO a lot of what you're saying on that site is superfluous anyway. You should let your work speak for itself, I reckon - more images and large, concise captions containing all the information a client/visitor might want. Not long sentences with fancy words promoting yourself.

    That's my thinking anyway, the actual layout and design scheme seems good, just I think it's a tad word-heavy at the moment.
  • fmnoor
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    fmnoor polycounter lvl 17
    Is STOP IE really a needed bullet point? I know IE is a headache, but what if larger clients want the site to be fully compatible with IE? Seems like you're preventing a few potential clients with that.
  • hawken
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    hawken polycounter lvl 19
    well the css test is up now: http://www.dadako.com/fontrendering.html

    if someone could post me a picture of it on their favorite browser that would be much appreciated. On Safari, it looks just like the image at the top of this page:

    safari.png

    http://www.dadako.com/forums/newsite.png (illustrator layout)

    all the stop ie junk is gone now...
  • Pedro Amorim
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    dadakodo9.th.gif

    well.. horizontal scrollbars are not that good lonking.
    im using a 1024+768 resolution on my dad's laptop.
  • hawken
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    hawken polycounter lvl 19
    OK I fixed the horizontal bug, I think!
  • kakikukeko
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    kakikukeko polycounter lvl 17
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    Really don't like the bottom right and the anti-IE tone, but thats your choice I suppose, just feels a bit ignorant - and with the link to stopie.com. I understand its not your choice but a Mac isn't my choice - I don't prech windows to people.

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    preching against IE doesn't mean preching pro mac... smile.gif
    there are so many reasons not to use IE.. and as hawken said opera and firefox are also under windows...

    hawken, it looks good on my firefox 2.0 under windows except the fonts are aliased... wink.gif tested in 1920x1200
  • Pedro Amorim
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    yep. horizontal scrollbars are gone
  • JKMakowka
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    JKMakowka polycounter lvl 18
    Works perfectly on Konqueror (as expected, since its core is what safari is based on), and Firefox2.0 on Ubuntu Linux at 1440x900.
  • Toomas
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  • moose
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    id suggest putting your links to external sites in target=_blank. you dont want people to leave your site, or be forced to use the back button, imo.

    I like the design, its cool.

    I think the logo and the image should be more flush however, feels a little far apart. The red blocks seem like they should have red hovers, not blue ones. Dont think you need a title for the illustration on the left, nor a date. The headers feel too wordy. The first header "following and...." feels like it could be a supportive sentence in your body as opposed to a headline. Would save you some vertical space on the right too i think.

    I almost feel the gutter between the image and body on right is too much, but only by a couple of pixels.

    Is there any reason why in the logo, on the right hand side (by the intersecting L and I shapes, sorry dont know Japanese) that there is only a 1px space between the characters as opposed to the 2px distance throughout the rest of the logo? almost makes it feel like an error, then again, i dont know japanese smile.gif

    cool site, flesh that sucker out!
  • hawken
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    hawken polycounter lvl 19
    yeah target is not standard xhtml anymore

    thanks for the comments, the data is just from my normal site, I've written far too much about my images smile.gif Hopefully it will be random, so a different image will take its place every time.

    About the gutter, I'll have to defend myself on this point, as the site is made up from 4 columns (as one might find in a magazine) and the grid is what holds the site together, using 16px spacing between all the elements.

    People are saying it's too wordy, I guess thats a font size thing, there's so much less copy than my normal site!

    Well picked up on the logo and roll overs. You pixel hawk-eye is enough to rival my own! Did mean to fix it but photoshop takes ages to open on this machine, will change!

    Anyway, thanks for the screen shots, Bitmap -> I think you have your browser font size set above normal, can you check it out? Would be much appreciated!
  • moose
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    meh, the gutter isn't a bad thing, i enjoy it. Just thought the 16px could maybe stand to be 14; but i'm not going to convince you of 2 pixels, you know what youre doing :P I spent some time doing magazine and newspaper layouts so i understand smile.gif

    I 100% agree with the previous link you posted, especially about the width of columns for legibility. The font sizes don't bother me personally, i like the style. I only suggested it being too wordy because there were a lot of words in that first header, nothing more smile.gif
  • gauss
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    gauss polycounter lvl 18
    i <3 ur site....
    and it's not just because i think your websites are super sexxxy, i think you've got a lot of great content, too. i love your mind and your body! *sob*

    if i were cheeky i would like to point out that my much-maligned polycount front page design, while not exactly the classiest girl in town, DOES follow the principles of what that information architects site was talking about. but i'm not cheeky, so i won't mention it laugh.gif

    anyhow, i seriously approve wholeheartedly of your new site design. it screams professionalism with an understated beauty to the whole thing--definitely a transparent showcase for your portfolio. makes me want to redesign my own site, which i ought to do anyhow, given that i've just got a pile of dusty bones plugged into a fucking blog right now.

    oh, and i'll be in tokyo on december 13th. fyi. i'll be sure to contact you again closer to the magical day...
  • Pedro Amorim
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    hawken: yeah i was using normal size text smile.gif
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