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monkeymintaka
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Hi,

I'm not sure if this is the right forum...but it is pretty technical!
I have been researching into buying a new computer and think I have a fairly okay combo of parts at a goodish price. But this is my first time building my own and I don't want to make any major mistakes and waste a lot of money!

Advice on changes I can make, or if you think specs seem legit, would be awesome. This is from pcspecialist in the UK. Price was about £1500

Specs:
CPU - Intel i7 - 5960x
Motherboard - Asus X99A
Memory - 32g Hyper X Fury DDR4
Graphics - Geforce 4gb GTX 960
Storage - 1TB Corsair SSD

I will be using it for:
3DS Max
Zbrush
UE4
Substance Designer
Marmoset
Photoshop etc
and some games

Thanks for looking :)

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  • PolyHertz
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    PolyHertz polycount lvl 666
    The CPU is serious overkill unless you plan on doing a LOT of rendering. For most programs its better to have fewer fast cores then a lot of somewhat slower cores (as in the 5960x). Get yourself a 4790K or 6700K if you want a high end CPU for game art.

    Corsair SSDs tend to have rather poor reliability long term, I'd go with a Samsung PRO line (not EVO) to have a better chance of the drive lasting a long time. 1TB is overkill too, you just need enough space for your OS and programs (256gb should be fine, 512gb if you want to install a bunch of games), and get yourself something cheap for regular file storage.
  • monkeymintaka
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    monkeymintaka polycounter lvl 7
    Thanks for the quick reply PolyHertz. That's exactly the advice I needed, I'm not to sure with hardware so I just went with the highest number I saw, while not really knowing if it was overkill :) I'm not planning on rendering a lot at all, so I will definitely change those specs that you suggested.
  • PolyHertz
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    PolyHertz polycount lvl 666
    Just to be sure you know, the 4790K requires a LGA 1150 compatible motherboard (DDR3 memory based), and the 6700K a LGA 1151 motherboard (DDR4 memory based). The one you have selected is an LGA 2011 which wont work for either.

    Also, the Geforce 960 is a good card overall, but its also a mid-range card. If you have the budget I'd get a Geforce 970, 980, or 980ti (best card currently on the market) instead.
  • andreinojosa
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    PolyHertz wrote: »
    Just to be sure you know, the 4790K requires a LGA 1150 compatible motherboard (DDR3 memory based), and the 6700K a LGA 1151 motherboard (DDR4 memory based). The one you have selected is an LGA 2011 which wont work for either.

    Also, the Geforce 960 is a good card overall, but its also a mid-range card. If you have the budget I'd get a Geforce 970, 980, or 980ti (best card currently on the market) instead.

    Nice topic and answer.

    I have a 5920K do you think this one is only good for rendering too? :poly122:

    Do you know or have any articles about this? Im feeling a bit frustrated with your answer hehehe.
  • EarthQuake
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    +1 to 4790K and a LGA 1150 mobo/DDR3 - the ram and mobo will be cheaper without much difference in performance. You'll probably save somewhere around $900 or so by switching from the 5960x to the 4790K.

    You can pocket that money, or put some of it into a better GPU like a 970 or 980, which will help with GPU heavy apps like Marmoset Toolbag, and UE4.
    Nice topic and answer.

    I have a 5920K do you think this one is only good for rendering too? :poly122:

    Do you know or have any articles about this? Im feeling a bit frustrated with your answer hehehe.

    5820K (I assume that's what you mean, I don't think there is a 5920k, maybe you mean 5930K? That one isn't a great value.) is a reasonable choice, you'll pay more for the motherboard and DDR4 ram but it's not insanely more expensive than the 4790K is.

    The 5690x on the other hand is roughly 3x more expensive than the 4790k, while only being 30% faster.

    When picking CPUs, usually I just pick the fastest one below $350 or so on this list: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html - this tends to be the sweet spot, when you pay more than that, the price curve/value gets a lot worse.
  • monkeymintaka
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    monkeymintaka polycounter lvl 7
    Thanks guys, that all really helped!
    I have looked at some new specs:

    Would you mind helping me choose between different versions though, again, I am just assuming the higher priced one if better, without having much knowledge.

    CPU - Intel i7 - 4790 (not sure if there is a major difference between the 3.6GHz and the 4GHz??)

    Motherboard - Asus Z97-E (again, not sure if there is much difference between the P and E version??)

    Memory - 32g Kingston Hyper X Fury DDR3 (I assumed this was a better choice over the regular Kingston Dual)

    Graphics - Geforce 4gb GTX 980 Ti (took your advice to upgrade the graphics card!)

    Storage - 480GB Kingston SSD (no Samsung Pro Option)

    This comes to £1400, so about the same price, but hopefully with the correct hardware this time :)

    Thanks again for your time.
  • beefaroni
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    beefaroni sublime tool
    Solid build!

    If you want to save some more money you could go with the AMD R9 390. It has 8GB of video memory if you ever do 3d painting.

    It's about half of the price of the 980ti, so you could buy the 390 now, and then upgrade in another year and a half / two years when cards are quicker.
  • PolyHertz
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    Much better build.

    The 4790k would be preferable to the 4790 due to the difference in core cpu frequency. Definitely get that if you can.

    If you can't get the PRO line of Samsung drives, I would recommend the EVO over Corsair. Its certainly not as good as the PRO series, but Corsair just isn't a well respected brand when it comes to SSD reliability.

    Took a look at the two motherboards too. They're basically the same thing with just very minor changes. Different expansion ports, usb layout, and minor audio hardware improvements for the Z97-E (and something about sli, you'll never use sli as a game artist though so don't worry about it). Honestly either one is fine, I would go with which ever is cheaper.

    Regarding 'beefaroni's comment the AMD 390X;
    Performance wise its a good card, but most people wont touch AMD these days due to their poor reputation regarding game compatibility at launch. I also tend to see way more AMD-specific bugs needing/getting fixed in patch notes for most software.
  • remotecrab131
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    remotecrab131 polycounter lvl 9
    £1500 - this really bugs me.

    Specs:
    CPU - Intel i7 - 5960x This can give you a great advantage while using Substance Designer, it's about 120% faster than my 3770k, I suggest 4960 or something use X97 instead of X99, cuz X99 is just luxury.

    Motherboard - Asus X99A - no comment, to use 5xxx i7, you gotta have this.

    Memory - 32g Hyper X Fury DDR4 - kinda waste of money, but for 5xxx i7, gotta have

    Graphics - Geforce 4gb GTX 960 - should really upgrade to 970 or 980 for the best.

    Storage - 1TB Corsair SSD - no comment.

    I will be using it for:
    3DS Max Check
    Zbrush Check
    UE4 Check, maybe a bit slow on 960
    Substance Designer Check, will calculate super fast
    Marmoset Check, maybe a bit slow on 960
    Photoshop etc Check, will become somewhat laggy at huge resolution like 15000 x 9000 with large brushes or huge amount of layers
    and some games Check, medium to high setting at 30FPS guranteed for most of game. Witcher 3 on ultra? better get 980 or titan.
  • throttlekitty
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    If you're going the DDR3 route, I'd recommend taking a look at some of the higher speeds. Gamers all say "ram is ram", but when you're working on big stuff in 3d, you're going to want more than the 'stock' 1600mhz speed. 2400 doesn't seem like that much a bigger number in the grand scheme, but I think it's worth it personally.
  • andreinojosa
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    EarthQuake wrote: »
    +1 to 4790K and a LGA 1150 mobo/DDR3 - the ram and mobo will be cheaper without much difference in performance. You'll probably save somewhere around $900 or so by switching from the 5960x to the 4790K.

    You can pocket that money, or put some of it into a better GPU like a 970 or 980, which will help with GPU heavy apps like Marmoset Toolbag, and UE4.



    5820K (I assume that's what you mean, I don't think there is a 5920k, maybe you mean 5930K? That one isn't a great value.) is a reasonable choice, you'll pay more for the motherboard and DDR4 ram but it's not insanely more expensive than the 4790K is.

    The 5690x on the other hand is roughly 3x more expensive than the 4790k, while only being 30% faster.

    When picking CPUs, usually I just pick the fastest one below $350 or so on this list: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html - this tends to be the sweet spot, when you pay more than that, the price curve/value gets a lot worse.


    Hey Man! you´re right, its the 5820k i was talking hehe.

    I actually choose the x99 ddr4 system because it was a newer system then ddr3. Since i live in Brazil and i was in the US at the time i bought my actual system i had to made the choice because the prices here are insanely expensive then in the US.

    My motherboard for instance, i paid like USD475 in BRL now its like 3000+
    That´s just too much.

    My System is

    Rampage V x99
    5820k
    GTX970
    SamSung 840PRO 256GB
    16gb corsair
    Corsair 860AX

    And so far so good, the only thing ill do later is to add more 16gb.

    And my older system was like Q6600 quad core with 6GB of ddr2 ram so in my case i found okay to spend a bit more on the X99 plataform.
  • monkeymintaka
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    Hey guys,

    So I have tweaked my specs a bit. I was talking to some guys at work and they were saying I won't need more then 16gb ram... they were also saying that it would be better to get a smaller SSD for softwares and then a regular harddrive for storage, as an SSD gets slower the more you use it.

    @beefaroni Going to stick to Intel, as I have had always used Geforce cards and have had no complaints.

    Processor - Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-4790k (4.0GHz) 8MB Cache
    Motherboard - ASUS® Z97-P: ATX, LG1150, USB 3.0, SATA 6GBs
    Memory - 16GB KINGSTON HYPER-X FURY DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz (4 x 8GB)
    Graphics Card - 6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 980 Ti - DVI, HDMI, 3 DP
    Hard Disk 1 - 250GB Samsung 850 EVO SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (upto 540MB/sR | 520MB/sW)
    Hard Disk 2 - Thinking about a 1TB SATA HD


    Any advice on the RAM and HD would be awesome.
  • PolyHertz
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    PolyHertz polycount lvl 666
    I was talking to some guys at work and they were saying I won't need more then 16gb ram... they were also saying that it would be better to get a smaller SSD for softwares and then a regular harddrive for storage, as an SSD gets slower the more you use it.

    Any advice on the RAM and HD would be awesome.

    Yep that's the way to go, have two hard drives. One SSD for programs, and one regular hard drive for file storage.

    For ram, 16gb is what most game artists use these days, some do need more then that though. If you decide to go with 16gb, I would get 2x8gb instead of 4x4gb so as to leave yourself some room for expansion just in case.
  • Axcel
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    Axcel polycounter lvl 14
    I'll be bulding new pc next month and won't be risking buying less than 32GB of DDR4. 5yrs ago i have bought 8gigs of ddr2 and photoshop eats this like crazy and additionally takes over 10GB on SDD.
    I already bought Samsung EVO 500GB after reading some reviews. PRO didn't convince me. Except that I will most likely buy Ultrastar 3TB (hitachi).
    Right now I wonder which VGA to choose for substance painter.
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