A face a day will hopefully make me not as bad
polycounter lvl 9
So faces have always been one of my weak areas(female faces especially). Though I never practiced enough to get good at them and I've been putting my 3d on the backburner because of long hours at work. However I've decided that all needs to change so I'm going to start doing a head a day for as much free time as I can muster every night.
So here's the result of Day 1: (She's my first female head ~2hrs)
I did horns because I felt like it.
I would love some crit.(also I am aware about the general shape of the head. Didn't have time to finish it and make it look right.) Also she started from a sphere.
So here's the result of Day 1: (She's my first female head ~2hrs)
I did horns because I felt like it.
I would love some crit.(also I am aware about the general shape of the head. Didn't have time to finish it and make it look right.) Also she started from a sphere.
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http://www.skullsunlimited.com/record_family.php?id=266
If you are actually trying to improve your quality, the best thing you can do for yourself is sit down and really try and study and work on getting the forms correct. Doing a sculpt the same way, everyday, will not make you an anatomy expert or make incorrect forms all of the sudden correct.
The only thing a sculpt a day will do for you is make you faster at doing them.
I think the objective for my exercise has somewhat been lost. It is indeed my intention to become better at form, nor do I think my stuff is that great, however I'm not exactly sure what you mean by me doing a sculpt the same way everyday. That is entirely not my intention of doing this, this is meant to be incremental process. To look at where I went wrong the previous day and work towards righting those wrongs. Starting with a clean slate and learning from mistakes of the previous session is.
I would also like to stress I'm not limiting myself to a certain time limit on any particular day at all. Such as tomorrow being my only day off for the week I intend to spend a larger amount of time to further refine what I'm putting down.
Also, I'm still looking for critiques on my original sculpt, as no one's pointed any things I should be focusing on (primarily on the face, I know the head is garbage.)
Thanks guys!
The face is too rough to really comment on fully.
Though the jaw is weirdly formed from the front, and you need to pay a lot of attention to the eye sockets and the transition from bony to fleshy.
Still going to say that some skull studies would help out greatly.
1. The ear feels to thick, , the placement feels ok, but it feels to thick, maybe angle it a lttile bit
2. The cheek is too big, or not consitently big, The cheek is formed by the zygomatic bone, which is connected the zygomatic arch, a person won't have a cheek that jets out with out having an arch that jets out
3. eye lids check out this neat tutorial on doing [ame="
I used to do a face a day a while back, If I did that consitently untill, oh boy I would I be good, alas i'm not.
Keeo it up!
@Muzz I'm starting to understand now why that'd be very helpful. There was many times during the sculpt where I was doing a lot of guess work on proportions that could've been solved by just a skull underneath. However, as much as I think it'd be helpful I don't want to become reliant on having it there to the point where I can't do a head without a skull being there as a guide. Though perhaps that thought is misguided.
@Oreoorbitz Thanks for tutorial, and also thanks for pointing out the zygomatic anatomy reference. I can't tell you how many times I redid her cheek bones and I feel had I just actually checked some anatomy it probably could've saved much of my time.
@slosh As I said above I'm definitely finding out how important anatomy is. I used a skull reference at the beginning to help me shape the skull but then I ditched that after that initial period which is definitely an oversight. And I'm learning how important it is to stay a low resolution as well. I tried to just keep throwing polys at my lips to make them look right but they never did so I just scrapped it and re-dynameshed down to a much lower res and eventually that fixed most of my issue (I still do not like the way they look).
So I have just a general question now, at this point I have just been using multiple model references to do the faces, would it be more less helpful to try to just zero in on one person and using them for all my angles or is it fine to use references from a number of people and use a composite of their many features.
How does this look
So I'm going for an adult woman for this, but sometimes i look at it and it almost looks a bit more like a child? am I crazy or do you guys see it too a bit?
I would start a new one based on reference and post that as well. And seriously keep your stuff reallllllly low as long as possible and focus on large forms. The lip creases and anything textural isn't important at all. It's challenging for people but Its the best thing you can do to improve your zbrushing. Faces are about very subtle form changes, it is a lot easier to control and focus on that stuff at very low polygon counts.
Here is some humble advice again:
1. So the way you have the zygomatic-frontal note quite right, I don't have photoshop right now so it's hard to describe, so i'll use some refrence images and wurds:
See how misses portman has huge cheekbones, but the top-side parts of her brow don't jet out as much as her cheeks? The way you have it right now makes the side of the brow look bulging
I also think you might have too much concavity on side of her head. In men that area is often concave, but in women sometimes it actually comes out a bit becuase of fat acumalted there.
2. The bottom eyelids right now are a bity bumpy, try adding some volume to them with the inflate brush, and smoothing them a bit. They should feel like they are being affected by gravity.
3. the ears need a little lovin, they feel undeveloped now.
4. She would probably look more attractive if her nose was a bit smaller
Excellent suggestion with the cheekbones. It was a minor change but I think it had a big impact on the overall look of the model. I honestly don't know how I misread the way they looked so bad. Though I didn't quite do them quite to the pronouncement of Natalie's, but hopefully you'll be able to see the difference.
As far as the eyelids, I'm realizing that they might be my weakest area right now, and apparently were before as well looking at the past comments. Some of it is a little bit topology since I'm still only dynamesh (same reason why the ear looks a little bumpy following the curve the cartilage) but a lot of it is still me trying to perceive the area correctly. Hopefully--- it's somewhat improved now.
The lip texture was mostly for me just having a bit of fun, but I get what you're saying. I decided to keep with it and hopefully it looks a bit better now.
Great feedback guys, seriously, keep them coming.
Your main problem areas seem to be:
Eyes
The nose
The ears
Lets start with the eyes:
IN all your models you've shown you seem to strugle with the eyes the most.
The nose:
It's hard to describe, and I don't have photoshop installed. You have the bridge of your nose too concave. the bridge actually is a tiny bin convex. On females the bridge of the nose looks concave becuase of the tranisition into the ball of the nose
The ears:
I"m crap at the ears, i'll let someone give suggestions on that
Last thing:
The model seems a bit ethneicly confused, did you check what ethnecity the skull refrence you used was?
Started messing about with some hair designs. Trying to figure out the best way to get coverage, but also not have polys everywhere.
Got the body mostly the way I want, maybe a couple proportion oddities, went for a gymnast build. Just need to get the feet, hands and forearms up to snuff and I think I should be good to go to start adding some clothes. Hair will need to be redone, at this point I'm not sure of what kind of costuming I want to do.