Female Face Problem
Hey, I'm currently sculpting a female character and at the moment I'm stuck at the face. I don't know what it is, but something feels weird about the face.
Maybe some of you guys could take a look at it:
Maybe some of you guys could take a look at it:
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Right now I can tell your head isn't big enough to fit that face.
Either shrink the face or expand the skull. Either way your eyes are in the wrong spot.
Don't use photo reference yet. All photo reference is good for is matching a particular characters proportions. You need a fundamental understanding of anatomy first or you'll just keep getting stuck.
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This is just my opinion, but I've been personally studying human anatomy for 4 years now.
Photo reference is a must for learning to understand the forms of the face and body. Analyzing forms, drawing ecorches and just plain staring at people's faces whenever you can. Building a mental library of shapes, connections and relationships. Knowledge of muscle placement will only get you so far.
What makes THIS face so odd looking, you guys told me now all about "using reference" and such, which is great, but I really need a concrete example why this face is looking out of proportion.
I've already loaded a female skull into zBrush and tried to align it with my sculpt to see what's wrong, but nothing seems to be heavily out of position.
I didn't mean he should use photo references as a modeling crutch, I meant that he should use photo references as a study resource for understanding forms.
Your proportions are fine, at least in the front view. What is wrong is everything else: shapes of the bones, planes of the face, shapes of the features (eyes,nose,mouth). If you want to sculpt good faces you'll have to gain a lot of knowledge in anatomy: study skulls, sculpt them; study muscles, see where they originate on the skull and where they go. You need to understand how the skull looks from all angles. Just google "human skulls" for images.
Start with sculpting a few skulls, or a dozen. Then move onto researching anatomy. There are plenty great books and 3d anatomy resources for that.
It sounds like we're arguing about agreeing.
It's always a good idea to start with the base structure, in this case the skull. Everything sits on/hands off the skull. It's really easy to get overwhelmed with zygomatic arches, maxillas, etc. It's important to simplify at first to get things in the correct place. This is where artistic reference comes in. This is why I recommended Anatomy4Sculptors. If I were you I'd get the PDF. It's $50, but it's priceless as far as reference goes.
Here's just an example of head information: https://www.anatomy4sculptors.com/anatomy.php?menu=194
Anatomy4Sculptors is pretty good, I think they also have a book you can buy.
As I wrote, I already bought a copy of this awesome book. I love these planar illustrations of the face/skull in the book, they really clarify how shapes are defined in the face. Thanks to you both for your help, I appreciate it.
My bad, I missed this post. To answer your question, I think you went into detailing the face way too soon. Worry about placing the nose, mouth, and other details AFTER you're sure the skull is proportionate in every angle of view. You then want to just make simple lines where the landmarks should hit on that skull. You don't have to sculpt an entire detailed skull every time you make a head though. There's shortcuts like the Loomis method.
Here's a video depicting the Loomis head method. It's for 2D drawing, but it has all the information you need to sculpt it in 3D.
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