Thompson machine gun WIP

Dawnson

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This is my final work.

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Hello all, I'm working on a model of a Thompson machine gun. So far I have my high poly mostly completed, except for one piece. I'm having trouble with making the vents in the nozzle; if anyone has any tips it would be much appreciated. Also any constructive criticism would be helpful. Thanks.






Here is one of the reference images I've been using.

AdamRodgers

Oh I made one of these a year or two back, had that reference in fact, I can probably throw some old refs your way if that would be useful? My system is busy right this sec but Ill take a browse through my refs and see if I can get you some details of that area k.
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Not ideal I know but might be of some use.

Id just mask from the side and invert and then planar flatten or clip it out. But that's in ZB, what are you using for HP? If your in Max etc then Id probably connect the edges around that section till I had enough for the grooves, do a cut along sides and then delete polies and bridge edges.

Hope that's useful?

TrampledUnderFoot

Looking good so far. One thing that jumps out at me is that there is no ejection port for the shells. :P

As for the flash diffuser thing, you just need more geo to support the corners of the cutouts. If you don't have enough currently, I would just remake that front part as a separate piece from the rest of the barrel, since you really don't need that much geo for the rest of it.

Dawnson

Thanks for the quick responses guys.

AdamRodgers: Absolutely! I would love more reference. I had trouble with a few pieces because I lacked reference. The back for example, I had no images of the back of the gun, I'm only guessing that that is how that little cylinder fits in.

TrampledUnderFoot: I'm not similar with names of the parts for guns. I'm not sure where to look of an ejection port in my reference, do you think you can expand on that? Also thanks for the tip; I'll try adding more geo.

AdamRodgers

K, Its a bit later in day here for getting into this, but email overnight and Ill get what I have sent over tomorrow as early as I can. Adamtherocket@hotmail.com

Heres one for the road -

BTW I think I got my best refs from Gunporn site. Not sure of exact addy but google it and be carefull obviously. There isn't any actual pornography there in case your worried.

Dawnson

Thanks for the help Adam, that close up image with the words is going to be very helpful later.

And I'm working in max, I'll give what you suggested a try.

AdamRodgers

K had a quick go at naking the cuts with some success, BUT I would see if one of the more Hard Surface savy people around here can offer a better solution, mine is probably a little flaky tbh.



Some more refs







Hope thats of some use, I visited Leeds Armoury not long back and got some but itll take time to find them in my photos library and tbh they are badly lit and not great images.

Have fun and Goodluck

respawnrt

Use floating geo for cuts ?

AdamRodgers

Its not the cuts that are the issue so much as the turbosmooth and supporting geo, while keeping the cylinder smooth and the cuts sharp, I think this is a classic headscratcher for most Hsurface guys, but there are true and tested ways to sort it.

Heres a thread with some similar issues and resolutions Dawnson - http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104331&highlight=geo

mike670

More geo to support the curve is the largest problem. For the inner control loop you can just select the two inner sides and the poly between them and do an inset.

Its not perfect, but it will work.

Dawnson

Hello again all. Thank you to everyone who gave me tips on how to make the nozzle, I think it turned out great. I'm now done my low poly and baked normals an ao; once again any critiques would be much appreciated. Thanks.

respawnrt

Made you some crits.Del = delete, Col = collapse.:)

RedRogueXIII

References
- The rear of the receiver is off by a lot.
- The charging handle could be a bit more solid.
- The area you asked for help to make vents is called the Cutts Compensator. Personally I would have extruded the sections inwards and connected them to the horizontal barrel cavity. For edge tightness control I would then extrude the resulting loop.
- The barrel ribs are too thick.

Dawnson

Thanks alot Respawnrt and RedRogueXIII, I've tried my best to fix some of the changes you recommended. Here's what I've got now. I think it's about time I started texturing.

respawnrt

Looks good Dawnson go texture it

Dawnson

Hello again, I've finished texturing my gun and I've put it in Marmoset to render out a few shots. As usual any critiques are welcome, but I'm taking a break from it so I might bit make any changes right away. But one day I might! It's time to move on to something else.