Lineage II - female mage
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Refference (ARTIST: Juno Jeong) : http://static1.minitokyo.net/view/23/07/227873.jpg
Hey, Decided to break off and start a new thread for this
Original thread: http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99012
Working on the female human mage character from Lineage II as realized in the book The ARK: Lineage II Illustrations.
Thinking of finishing the sculpt but really hoping for some thoughs/crits on this one so anything is appreciated!
Refference (ARTIST: Juno Jeong) : http://static1.minitokyo.net/view/23/07/227873.jpg
Hey, Decided to break off and start a new thread for this
Original thread: http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99012
Working on the female human mage character from Lineage II as realized in the book The ARK: Lineage II Illustrations.
Thinking of finishing the sculpt but really hoping for some thoughs/crits on this one so anything is appreciated!
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I am keen to see some more.
agree with duncan about the laces on the back
duncan, afisher, Spatz - wow, great idea. this is why I post on this forum
jmt - thanks man, yeah I got some crits to tone down the poutyface look so hopefully its reigned in enough. Idk the reff im going off has that expression so I wanted to make her face look that way so that I wouldn't be moving the verts too far off their original position when I do the final beauty shot. let me know if this is looking better.
I also got some crits about the side flaps and that they interrupted her feminine lines and made her look odd. so I thought if I floated them off the surface more it might make it more clear that they were hanging, what do you guys think?
- Her hands are a tad too small. I would also suggest rotating the arms away from the body somewhat more so that it's a 45 degree angle. Makes it easier to work with and rig afterwards.
- Widen up her shoulders a little bit so her head doesn't come off as big
- The armor parts on the sides of the stomach should be more separated from the body in order to give her a better silhouette. 40-45 degree angle should be enough. Give it a try and see how it looks.
- As much as I'm for following a concept exactly I think you would benefit from changing the design of the clothes here a little. The dress has all these nice metallic details on the front and sides yet almost nothing on its back. It almost looks like somebody has ripped some parts off of her back and she has decided to sew together the dress with some cords. I'd suggest adding a metallic shape to her back as well.
- The hair is my biggest peeve at the moment. It just looks messy and I suggest redoing it entirely. Create a more spheric mesh and sculpt that instead of having those separate segments. Just my two cents but I doubt you'll regret it.
- The cloth parts under her skirt should be more wavy.
Could you link the concept art in the opening post so that people can compare?
Great stuff nonetheless. I like that face of hers.
The metal parts under the "breastplate" really break the silhouette, we just don't see the waist, it's the most important thing to change imo, that and the hair.
But nice work anyway ^^.
Granted the set looks slightly different from female fighter to female mage...I was trying to find a screenshot of the back for a mage wearing this set but couldn't. And installing an 8 gig game isnt an option at the moment :P
Just a side thought but I think you should give her a Sword of Miracles and the DC shield as well
Im trying to stay as close as possible to the version illustrated by Juno Jeong in the ARK
http://gallery.minitokyo.net/view/227873
seems like all the same stuff, but hes essentially "unbuttoned" or loosened up all the tight form fitting layers to create a more floaty look, hopefully Ill be able to capture that, and put my own touches here and there without straying too far from the original
And Thanks for the crits everyone! I'll be updating as soon as possible
http://ivory-tower.de/
Front, Back, and Side views, I think that almost all armors are here. Check the Fashion section.
What I would do would be to first sculpt some rather large streams of hair, make sure these all look good(yours look a bit messy and misshapen at some places). I would then add the extra thin straws of hair in the texture file and use those for the alpha as well. But make sure you get the highpoly right first.
My initial read of the reff Its rather messy, with some larger sweeping forms underneath a lot of smaller strands going in all directions. so what your saying sounds great. Id love to hear your thoughts on where I could improve the sculpt I have already, or if I should start over.
And thanks perna! yeah I;ll make some changes to the topo on the arms
Personally I hate creating females xD Because they're frickin hard to get right and then again I'm no a character artist :P
I kinda feel like a proper alpha-card approach would be better for the hair, using 1-3 different strand of hair textures and then just using the UVs and the shape of the geometry to actually make them look like they're flowing from the base of the skull.
http://www.cgarena.com/freestuff/tutorials/maya/lowpolyHair/index5.html
and this tutorial is still kickass
I agree with the points afisher and Christoffer have made. I made a little paintover sketch to illustrate my points further;
As you can see I've drawn arrows to point out a few of the misshapen areas of the hair. The strands should be relatively the same size and have very smooth lines. The whole helmet should have a very uniform shape, think of the whole thing as a large upside down flower(mix between a tulip and a rose in this case.. or whatever). Don't bother with strands crossing over these larger strands, only sculpt the larger ones for now. The PO is a bit messy so you don't have to follow it exactly, it's just to get my point across.
I've also painted over the mouth in front view as well as made the nose less wide.
Edit: Her collarbone(clavicle) is missing
Put a light map on her!!! For reals, once you bake out a light map for this girl, everything is going to change.
I think Saman's hair comment is on point. Get those large aesthetically pleasing shapes down, and the hair will look a lot better. After you nail your base for the hair, I think layering with alpha cards would look super ace.
The other thing i would mention is to try and capture more sutuble shapes in her face. It seems like your going for a stylized/Final fantasy type face. Right now her face is still reading flat. The lightmpa might aid in this, but I would sculpt some more shapes out. Adding more texture variation will help too.
@ Mike, Thanks so much for the detailed guide, your idea was great! I hope the lightbake has brought out some of the shapes better, if not Ill definitely work on them some more.
@ Saman, Thanks again buddy, your like my coach on this one I really am super grateful, tell me how you like the hair now! :P
@ Perna, yeah man I totally see what you mean. I still have to take out some of the tris in the face, but I added a few too the shoulders to compensate. Ill put my wires up for critique as soon as I get a chance to really work that stuff again.
@Dustin, Same thanks, Ill be keeping yours and Perna's advice in my head when I rework that stuff.
It seems like the direction of the hair changes abruptly at some parts which makes it look like she's been using too much hair-gel on some parts while missing others. Hair needs to look voluminous and maintain a consistent shape all over. Her right side from the front view looks too small compared to the other side for example. I've made a little rushed PO here so you can see what I mean better;
But once again, keep it simple for now because you haven't reached the last steps yet. The smaller hair strands can be done once you're done with this step.
With that, I decided that I was turning into one of those guys who's eternally tweaking one project and I felt like I had learned all I could from this lady so i whipped out a pose and some pedestal geo, and pushed her to my portfolio. Thanks for all the help guys and I'll be sure too keep your advice in the forefront of my mind going forward.
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turn table looks great
LRoy: http://youtu.be/wCF3ywukQYA (thanks for all the help along the way bro!)
Rion411: Thanks for you crits too man, and appreciate it!
SCB: thanks, yeah I though the original concept had such amazing background stuff I had to see if I could do it justice.
ablaine: thank you! true, I had some trouble with the eyes and that might explain it :P
E4sY: thanks alot broskie.
PS: gooby pls