PS5, Scarlett, Google Stadia, Other next gen consoles, lets get on down to specifics

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  • littleclaude
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    "I am serious, I believe a Cloud based system will be the future" - 24 Jan, 2019

    Talk about spot on predictions with Google unveiling Stadia cloud gaming service at GDC 2019 😆


  • ZacD
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    There's been OnLive, GameFly Streaming, GeForce NOW, PlayStation Now, Shadow, GameCloud, starting in 2003, and none of them have really taken off. I could see PlayStation Now and an Xbox cloud based gaming platform slowly expand overtime, but I have 0 expectations from Google. 
  • notman
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    My buddy was in on the "google stream" beta, and he really liked it. He's not a gamer, but he decided to try it, and then couldn't stop talking about Assassin's Creed, and how smoothly it played. The only 'negative' was his data usage, which skyrocketed. Again, he wasn't much of a gamer, so most internet activity he typically had, was video streaming. This dwarfed it. Maybe Google was using extra data, to include info for debug purposes (doubtful)?

    Basically, I'm not sure the infrastructure (in the US), is ready for this. Comcast always has periods of getting 'iffy' at my house, and they also currently have a 1TB data cap, which I almost reach monthly (I have two kids that game, in addition to myself). There are still large sections of the country, without decent internet speeds. 

    In the end, I'm impressed with what Google is offering (still waiting for pricing info), but I don't think the time is right. This may fail, simply by having a good product, introduced too early. Time will tell
  • notman
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    An additional thought, it might be interesting if they make a Stalia app for the major consoles, so I can use my native controller. That may provide a good entry/intro for gamers (allowing them to still use the party systems). Gamers could still get their games from MS/Sony, if they want, but still have streaming options. It might be a reason for me to actually buy a switch too. That's the only thing they didn't demonstrate on stage (using a console).
  • littleclaude
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    Philip Oliver said "This a bold and exciting move by Google for the games industry. It will be very interesting to see how this pans out. The fact that it's so convenient (tiny friction to play awesome games and no updates) and doesn't require a large upfront investment by consumers makes this a revolution." 2019
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    Xbox Project Scarlett

    Xbox Project Scarlett details have just been announced and the details are on the table. It’s good to finally know what we are aiming for with development specifications.


    Scarlett Xbox specs
    Scarlett 8K gaming,
    Framerate -120fps
    Ray-Tracing,
    SSD 
    GDDR6 RAM
    CPU based on AMD’s Zen 2 and Radeon RDNA architecture,



  • ZacD
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    I'd be pleasantly surprised if the UI works at 120hz/8k. At this point its just marketing. Still very happy we have SSD based consoles finally. 

    Any guesses on the name? 
  • Anchang-Style
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    Also one talking head saying "8k" the other "up to 120fps" and some people put that together "up to 8k and 120 fps!". Iam pretty sure 8k was refering to media resolution. No way will they get 8k gaming started.
  • littleclaude
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    Also one talking head saying "8k" the other "up to 120fps" and some people put that together "up to 8k and 120 fps!". Iam pretty sure 8k was refering to media resolution. No way will they get 8k gaming started.

    I will be more then happy with a 4K game running at 60fps any more then that is a bonus. Also fixing latency when you have more players will also be a huge improvement. 

    I wonder how much it will cost? 
  • Shrike
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    8k for gaming will not happen anytime soon
    At current GPU hardware progress of 30% gain per generation every 2 years
    With 4k 60 FPS being still a struggle for 10 TFLOPS GPUs such as a 1080 Ti, 8k requiring 400% as many pixels to be rendered and consoles clearly never using the latest GPUs, thats like 2030 at best
  • Blaizer
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    8k gaming and 120 fps? seriously? i doubt it. 

    4K is still something we can't afford nowadays unless if you pay a kidney.


  • Obscura
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    Probably that 8k/120fps/ray tracing wouldn't happen simultaneously. Probably you could play lowpoly indie games on 8k on 120fps, aaa games with one or two ray tracing features on 1080p on 30fps or some other combination of these. That would sound more realistic.
  • PolyHertz
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    That just means it'll use HDMI 2.1 , which supports 4K at 120fps, or 8K at 60fps (Technically it also supports 10K though I'm not sure at what framerate). Raytracing tech is almost certainly going to be the biggest barrier to reaching higher resolutions/framerates in the coming generation, but games that forego that very well could pull it off (Some PC gamers are already running games like Rocket League at 8K).
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    Last I remember reading about cloud gaming were not technical limitations but rather commercial perspective.   With consoles  you are already get a hardware for a half of its real price and pay for it within game purchases.  Now  all the expensive gaming hardware + electricity + servers will be on Google side.    It 's like render farms  for movie rendering . I doubt it might be cheap enough to turn into mass market.

     U4 struggles to support proper VR or multi camera rendering . How many gaming pc they are going to buy to provide such streaming .

    Bet it would be like car sharing . Nobody is going to give up his/her own car  in foreseeing future. It will be just a niche.   At least till a special generation of  super computers  and game engines will appear allowing  playing  in parallel on same hardware
  • ZacD
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    I see cloud streaming being great for demos and free trials of games before buying. Don't have to download anything, could really get people on impulse purchases. 
  • littleclaude
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    Wow, looks like you can order the Stadia already, so cheap as well!

    £119

    I would love to be a fly on the wall in the Sony and Microsoft offices, I bet the statisticians are crunching numbers on overdrive today. 

    https://store.google.com/product/stadia_games
  • oglu
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    Not available in Austria i assume. There is nothing to see here.
  • rollin
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    Well Stadia is .. nothing.. there is not really anything there. Which brings the whole service thing to a new level. You buy games where you don't have access to the files and play on hardware you have no access to.  :#

    I guess for many people this is all they need (See the Amazon / Netflix crowd)
    So Sony and Microsoft will sooner or later jump on the same train but I guess currently the online access quality factor is still relevant enough that Stadia is not blowing them away right now - no matter how cheap the service will be.

    But sooner or later big games will only sell (time) exclusive via streaming - as the new and perfect DRM solution.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a fan or user of streaming (not video nor games) and most likely i'll never be
  • littleclaude
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    oglu said:
    Not available in Austria i assume. There is nothing to see here.
    Google announced today that its Stadia Pro cloud gaming service will go live in 13 countries in Europe and the U.S.
  • oglu
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    If i clikc on your link there is only old google hardware to see. Nothing about stadia.
  • rollin
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    oglu said:
    If i clikc on your link there is only old google hardware to see. Nothing about stadia.
    Poor Austria ;)
  • onionhead_o
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    you still have to buy the games ontop of the subscription service. I really dont see the appeal here
  • oglu
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    If the service is only 5 bucks i wont mind.
    Arnt there several diffrent options. Like a flatrate or buy single games + a lower subscription?
  • littleclaude
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    you still have to buy the games ontop of the subscription service. I really dont see the appeal here
    Isn't the talk for the new PS5 & Scarlett being around £700? If so I can see the appeal as it will take a long time to equal the price. Definitely going to be interesting times ahead for the console market. 

    List of best-selling game consoles 2019

    PlayStation 4 

    Sony

    2013

    100 million

    Xbox One 

    Microsoft

    2013

    41 million

    Nintendo Switch 

    Nintendo

    2017

    36.87 million

     


  • rollin
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    It's simple math:
    - assuming you answer the overall to-stream-or-not-to-stream question with 'yes'
    - and you already have a decent internet connection anyway

    129 € for Stadia 
    + 0 € for subscription (if you use the cost free none-pro model when it comes out)
    + ~60 € for a top tier game
    ---------------------------------------------
    ~200 € to get you going

    Don't think there is a cheaper way around atm.
  • onionhead_o
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    theres also the issue of internet speed and data cap
  • littleclaude
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    theres also the issue of internet speed and data cap
    It doesn't seem to be hurting Netflix's business model. 
  • PolyHertz
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    Meh. I probably can't even use Stadia because while my connection has decent download speeds, the upload speeds are not much better then dialup. Even uploading a 30mb youtube video takes like 20-40 minutes. I guess its an ok offer for those with great internet connections though.
  • onionhead_o
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    the difference between stadia and netflix is you dont have to pay extra for each title. Unless they change the current pricing model. I don't really see it becoming popular.
  • Shrike
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    its really good that Stadia requires upfront payment

    Establishing subscription models in games would be absolutely devastating to the Industry and would lead to a huge crash in revenue as upfront payment would essentially be thrown away (At mass adoption of course) and even games had to change drastically, as playtime would be the main measurement of value. Most Indie and AA studios would be crushed under a subscription norm. At start you could expect good upfront payment but that would slowly vanish at adoption of the platform and only subscription makers really profit in the end. Other Industries adopt subscription because people are not willing to spend upfront payment. In games they are still very willing, and it would be mental trying to change that.

    So thankfully subscription is not a thing.
  • littleclaude
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    5G internet will help Stadia, i bet even some kind of VR and AR will work on it some time in the near future.

    'The Arrival Of 5G Will Unlock The Full Potential Of VR And AR'
    By Sol Rogers, CEO Rewind
  • littleclaude
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    Google Stadia & 5G phones - 'Google Stadia may be the first good use for 5G phones // it’s likely that Stadia will enable you to stream blockbuster games, which ordinarily would be exclusive to consoles or high-end PCs, on your smartphone or tablet.'

    Interesting article - https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/google-stadia-may-be-the-first-good-use-for-5g-phones


  • littleclaude
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    SOoooOOOooo Google Stadia has been released. 

    Is it just me that's finding the release very underwhelming or am I missing an amazing action plan. I would love to have a Stadia but I can not see any original content on the console.

    I think Stadia desperately needs an original catalog of games. I don't understand why Google did not pay development costs for some exclusives and amazing ones at that, especially as it's Google we are talking about here who are not short of a penny or two. Exclusive's would have got me talking would have been games like Cyberpunk 2077Gods and Monsters, Star Citizen, Golden Eye, Sky......anything, something that would have got people talking on social media.

    Hats of to 'Tequila Works' for making Gylt  I think you're the only original content on the new console from what I can see and its a great looking game. 

    1. Assassin’s Creed Odyssey
    2. Attack on Titan: Final Battle 2
    3. Destiny 2: The Collection (available in Stadia Pro)
    4. Farming Simulator 2019
    5. Final Fantasy XV
    6. Football Manager 2020
    7. Grid 2019
    8. Gylt
    9. Just Dance 2020
    10. Kine

    Maybe the action plan is to bring new people to the market who don't normally have consoles/PC games and introduce them to the industry, some kind of slow burn market strategy. I would love to be a fly on the wall in Googles office, I guess time will tell. 



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