Biker Girl

PakoTCB · Sep 2017

Now that the power is back after the hurricane I started doing the block out for a character I want to make for my portfolio. A woman using a cafe racer style motorcycle inspired by the motorcycle daredevil from the 70s Debbie Lawler. Not trying to replicate her/ do a likeness but I wanted to add context to her character as to who she aspires to be and why she likes building her own motorcycle. Not much to show on this block out but I want to keep a thread to update the progress. Many of the muscles aren't overlapping like in the legs which I will correct as well as her arms and overall shape.

Most recent update:

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First image:

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PakoTCB · Sep 2017

I also planned out the clothing I plan on doing as well as the bike. A suzuki GP 100 as I have seen many people replace and modify the handle bars, head light and seat to make it more cafe racer style.

PakoTCB · Sep 2017

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Small Wip on the body

almighty_gir · Sep 2017

hey man, the research for the clothing is a good thing, you should probably do the same for the kind of body you want to go for too.

PakoTCB · Sep 2017

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You're right, thanks! I will keep on researching and updating. (I apologize but I am not sure if nude female models are sfw)

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aanselmo · Sep 2017

Hey, doing a good job so far, I am learning anatomy too but I think you need to tweak some parts on the body.

The muscles on the abdominal part are too off, if she have a fit body they should be more inside
The breasts are good but normally the woman have the breast lower than the man so the nipples are lower than the second head measure
the pelvis of the woman is way more diagonal than the man, you need to rotate a bit that zone, making the butt go up
the clavicle is a bit more in a V shape on the front and the scapula more separated
at last the 2 points on the back ( PSIS) is way lower, is where the gluteos, the external oblique and the latissimus dorsi/erecto spinae meet.

This is all from what I learned so some parts I have said could me slightly incorrect ( hope not xD)

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PakoTCB · Sep 2017

Thanks for the critique! I really appreciate it and will see to make those tweaks.
I do not wish to make her too muscular, more along the lines of this reference.

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PakoTCB · Oct 2017

I have not updated this thread in about a week or so because I was busy doing other smaller projects. I was going through passes on the anatomy as well as the face, hair and clothes. Right now I was focusing on blocking out the hair and clothing.
I have been reading Burne Hogath's book on Dynamic Wrinkle and Drapery because wrinkles in general have always confused me on how they should look like in order to be convincing.

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ashraful mobin · Oct 2017

looking good! the progress is really nice

PakoTCB · Oct 2017

ashraful mobin said:

looking good! the progress is really nice

Thank you! Hoping to start getting the ball rolling and start doing more with her.

PakoTCB · Oct 2017

Going over the pants and boots

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face wip

PakoTCB · Nov 2017

Worked on the outfit and redid a lot of her look.

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dGreenberg · Nov 2017

I think the new hair is working a lot better for her, @PakoTCB! Looking back at your references I can see where your clothing inspiration came from, but between the helmet and the fluffy lapel of the jacket, her outfit is reading more like an aviator pilot instead of a biker to me. I know you're going for the 70s feel but it might still help to find some alternative jacket or jumpsuit options (if not a change in the helmet).

That all being said the gear is looking great, so I completely understand if you don't want to change anything up. Having a motorcycle with her will help a ton as well, so I hope you don't mind my 2 cents on the outfit. Keep up the awesome work and I'm looking forward to see how the character continues to improve!

PakoTCB · Nov 2017

dGreenberg said:

I think the new hair is working a lot better for her, @PakoTCB! Looking back at your references I can see where your clothing inspiration came from, but between the helmet and the fluffy lapel of the jacket, her outfit is reading more like an aviator pilot instead of a biker to me. I know you're going for the 70s feel but it might still help to find some alternative jacket or jumpsuit options (if not a change in the helmet).

That all being said the gear is looking great, so I completely understand if you don't want to change anything up. Having a motorcycle with her will help a ton as well, so I hope you don't mind my 2 cents on the outfit. Keep up the awesome work and I'm looking forward to see how the character continues to improve!

I appreciate your criticism of the clothing. I have been debating between with myself and some of my friends on her outfit. I wasn't happy with her old outfit and wanted to give her more personality. I can see now that it reads more as aviator pilot with the combination of the helmet and jacket so I might change one of the two or see how it all fits together with the motorcycle. I am thinking that the helmet would be easier to change so I'd have to look at more models that would fit with her outfit.
Thanks for the reply, it means a lot.

PakoTCB · Nov 2017

Tectonic · Nov 2017

very cool! I like her a lot

PakoTCB · Nov 2017

I started doing retopology on her and wanted to know a way to reduce it or conserve more geometry. The zippers and shoelaces are my biggest concern, I feel like I can do those through baking and normal maps but I am unsure if it'll work. I have been looking at other games like the last of us and uncharted but would love any suggestions.

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PakoTCB · Nov 2017

I did some test bakes to see if the high poly detail actually projected onto the low poly with the normal maps and ambient occlusion. I think the details project pretty good. I haven't fleshed out the UVs and I think some areas of the topology will still need to be tweaked but overall I am surprised with the fast bakes.

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Koromo · Nov 2017

PakoTCB said:

I started doing retopology on her and wanted to know a way to reduce it or conserve more geometry. The zippers and shoelaces are my biggest concern, I feel like I can do those through baking and normal maps but I am unsure if it'll work. I have been looking at other games like the last of us and uncharted but would love any suggestions.

You can use them as a floaters! Simply keep them as a HP separated mesh/polygroup (if you´re in zbrush) and use the lowpoly retopologized as a base to project this as a normal map!

Remember to use a slightly bigger cage if you´re baking with XNormal or increasing the Offset value in Toolbag as a baker until you cover the zippers and shoelaces.

Good bakes! Keep working!

As an example of my own, baked laces as a floaters with normal+Ao map:

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HP laces used as a floater for the bakes:

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PakoTCB · Nov 2017

Koromo said:

PakoTCB said:

I started doing retopology on her and wanted to know a way to reduce it or conserve more geometry. The zippers and shoelaces are my biggest concern, I feel like I can do those through baking and normal maps but I am unsure if it'll work. I have been looking at other games like the last of us and uncharted but would love any suggestions.

You can use them as a floaters! Simply keep them as a HP separated mesh/polygroup (if you´re in zbrush) and use the lowpoly retopologized as a base to project this as a normal map!

Remember to use a slightly bigger cage if you´re baking with XNormal or increasing the Offset value in Toolbag as a baker until you cover the zippers and shoelaces.

Good bakes! Keep working!

As an example of my own, baked laces as a floaters with normal+Ao map:

HP laces used as a floater for the bakes:

Alright, thanks! That will definitely help with conserving the triangle count.

PakoTCB · Nov 2017

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Worked on the Retopology, haven't had the chance to work on this project as much as I want to but I want to bake the normal and AO maps. The polycount is at 78k, I gave myself a the limit of maximum 100k but I will see if I can reduce it in some areas. The hair cards that I'll be adding will also add a significant amount which I am being conscious of. I also want to see if I can start a block out of the motorcycle itself.

Alemja · Nov 2017

I think you can reduce a lot in the boots, they are quite dense.

PakoTCB · Nov 2017

@Alemja
Thanks for the suggestion! You're right they are quite dense. I reduced it from 3k tris to 2k. I still think I can make it lower but there are areas where I want to keep the silhouette.

PakoTCB · Nov 2017

I worked on the baking of the Normal and AO Map. The whole character is in one texture map excluding the hair that I will add for the hairstyle and eyebrows. I was checking if it still retained some the high poly detail and for the most part, offsetting areas and correcting in Photoshop gave me the best result. I did however wonder if I should stick to one 2k map or 4k. The difference I see is pretty minor, mainly around closer areas is it really noticeable, I like how it looks in 4k but I don't know if that might be too much for the character.

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PakoTCB · Dec 2017

PakoTCB · Dec 2017

Placed the haircards and been working on the placement of them. Next step is hopefully finally creating the motorcycle.

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PakoTCB · Feb 2018

I've finally had to time to work on the motorcycle. I want to be able to retopologize and texture it in substance.

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Olingova · Feb 2018

The work on the motorcycle looks reaaally clean

can you show some wireframe of that?

PakoTCB · Feb 2018

Olingova said:

The work on the motorcycle looks reaaally clean can you show some wireframe of that?

Right now it is still in zbrush with a lot of parts dynameshed and zremeshed, I will be retopologizing the bake in order to texture it in Substance.

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PakoTCB · Mar 2018

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I've finally been able to move forward with the retopology. I didn't want to go overboard but I was also pretty liberal in some areas. I want to be able to UV and maybe cut down on some areas to get to texturing.

PakoTCB · Mar 2018

I wanted to know if anyone could shine a light on my current predicament. Right now I feel like the motorcycle is pretty high in polycount even with the retopology. There are some specific areas I can see reducing such as the engine and front wheel loops and also removing the small screws and adding them with normal maps but even when removing those I still have it at around 200k. Is that too high and should I focus on reducing chunks of the bike or should I leave it as is. I've been planning on texturing it and presenting it in marmoset toolbag and maybe unreal engine if I can wrap my head around many of the differences in the interface.

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PakoTCB · Mar 2018

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Finally UVed the Motorcycle and got it into Substance Painter for texturing. I plan on doing this to the girl since I also did the UVs for her. I was able to reduce the tri count slighty now with 192, 351.

PakoTCB · Mar 2018

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Got the clothing into Substance Painter, I am only missing the refined face and hair but I can start texturing the clothing and motorcycle.

jose.fuentes · Mar 2018

This is really clean work! Great job so far

Tits · Mar 2018

Great job so far indeed, looking forward to see more!

PakoTCB · Apr 2018

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I've been working on texturing the skin and applying it into Marmoset. I can still go back and make tweaks. I want to give a placement of the haircards since I have created the textures for them.

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JustinT · Apr 2018

Nice work!

Tea Monster · May 2018

The bike is lovely. It's got a really nice, worn feel. The biker woman is attractive, without being overly pneumatic.

Aydhe · May 2018

really great stuff, especially face details are great. I love how you made her in late 30s, completely different to what we're used to usually seeing.

Jade · May 2018

Great work!

Biker Girl

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