Quantic Dream's Kara
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looks fantastic!
I want this to be a game!!
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-07-introducing-quantic-dreams-kara
I want this to be a game!!
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Thanks for posting it, wouldn't have caught it otherwise.
However, the facial animation is lacking. Her lips don't always touch when they need to, to pronounce a word. Her lips don't purse shut at all it seems. It's still a bit robotic, it needs more pop. Eyes looked good though.
But yeah, the lip syncing was quite iffy.
But that was some pretty damn fine work, when you look at everything together. Amazing story telling, music, just fantastic.
Of course knowing the devs, this will all be for nothing when the scene after it is simply "Press X fast to fuck the real doll".
Also, a question. Isn't it possible to make a special texture to darken teeth that depends on the animation, like a wrinkle map but with a diffuse texture? It's becoming more obvious through the years that teeth just can't be shaded properly by traditional methods, and they stand out badly in this video.
If Kara didn't last 5 seconds after being assembled before she thought something, then in the game world she's going to get into trouble shortly after the end of the first chapter. The rest will be an Asimov / Blade Runner story-based game (similar to Heavy Rain - nothing wrong with that) with sections dealing with humanity, psychological troubles likely including Stockholm Syndrome, as well as a range of underworld bot dealers. All may or may not be resolved if/when the player makes it to the ending.
(purely speculation)
Zwebbie, yeah the teeth are less of a problem with proper subtle SSAO nowadays I think.
The vid is already more than a year old, a bit unfortunate it wasn't shown earlier. I made the pulsating heart thingy!
I don't see why they wouldn't continue with this. Unless there's a fantastic game Quantic are making instead, this has to be up there with some of the better concepts and themes for a game.
simps... bjork did it
The short was great, but the mouth animation left a lot to be desired. I recall even HL2's to be better and it's definitely not up to spec with LA Noire animation. The eyes were really well done though. I'd love to see a game made of it.
The eyes are what got me. I thought I was just watching a tech demo at first... and then I couldn't pause it. Holy shit.
The eyes are pretty convincing although I miss the clear wrinkle above her eyes
Well, holding LA Noire and some of the motion scanning tech I've personally worked with as the standard, the lips and eyebrows aren't true motion scanning. It's probably mostly hand animated, with maybe some of the motion scanning used as reference. The model also looks like it had some work done to it as well.
It's a fantastic demo none the less, just not what it advertised at GDC.
I don't think there's any "motion scanning", not the way it was done in LA Noire.
I think it's a single face camera and 2D image analysis, maybe with Image Metrics software, maybe with something custom. Then the data drives some carefully hand crafted expressions on a joints based rig.
What's missing is the facial folds and wrinkles, but that shouldn't be that hard to implement, Uncharted 1 used it four years ago already. I wonder how realistic they want their fictional android to be - it may also need sticky lips and the eyelashes could need something other than textured poly strips.
Yea, it looks like the Image Metrics stuff I've seen a lot in the past, but they were going around GDC yesterday saying it was motion scanning so that's why I was all Marge Simpson face.
It's a great tech demo. I don't deny that. I just feel kind of "marketed" at, in the context of the presentation at GDC. To me, the emotion isn't created by full performance capture. It's created by having a solid script and a great actress, with an amazing voice. I honestly believe you could have a blank screen, and still get chills hearing the performance. It might even be better that way, as you wouldn't be looking at how strange her mouth looks.
A guy asked how he, as an Indie Dev, could make use of the info in the talk. The presenter said you just need to be able to make that kind of investment if you want this kind of emotion. Wrong?
On an unrelated note, sex doll. mmm.
just getting torn apart now since it is just a short clip, with no additional story, context or attachment to characters you would get from a full game.
I'll have to post up some of the work I did with a research group at USC. It's full motion capture like this too. We had markers on the face and body that captured obviously the body and face animations/models but also got diffuse, normals, specular, and subsurface scattering diffuse. The lips should be more accurate if it's the same process I'm thinking of. But oh well.
May I ask if the face is using 3D markers or a single face cam and 2D image analysis?
Instead... "holy shit this andriod is crying and pleading for her life... I've never seen that before. Oh well, i'll box her up with the rest"
looks cool tho
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Also, they should make this thing as the frontend to the PS3. Like the Sony version of the Xbox avatar.
Yeah after going back and comparing to LA Noire I can totally see the difference and see what your talking about. I'd love to see some of that USC work you mentioned earlier.
Mind you, I get the feeling that Quadratic dream is becoming the "Girl crying in our trailer" company.
I dunno, to me the visuals were pretty crucial. Especially the eyes - there was an amazing amount of pathos there, and they really carried a huge amount of the main character's emotion, which was the linchpin of the entire sequence.
and why would you want to create a product that does not want to be sold?
anyway i believed the message they were bringing across and that's what counts in the end
smash those emotional robots to shit, because we all know how it ends
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I thought it was going to more this way when i was 3 more of them ::]
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No face cam was used, so 3d markers. The recording was done in one take, with two actors mimicing the actions of the robotic arms. There was a great number of cameras (don't remember the quoted number) recording the face and body at the same time. He said that he wanted to avoid any sort of face cam because it makes any sort of close facial interaction between actors difficult.
Furthermore, that was an old version of their render engine (A year if I remember correctly) running in real time on a PS3. There was also minimal clean up so he said, and the goal of the clean up was simply to retain the integrity of the original actress' performance.
Anyway, I'm not sure I'm really into this sort of a set up. I've gotta question the practicality of using casting actors for games when you can't know what a player will do. Seems great for cutscenes, but I don't know what you could really do beyond that. It'll be fun to watch I guess.
Characters are made with the usual Zbrush + Maya + Photoshop, with a complex facial (and body of course) rig to receive the animations.
recent swedish scifi-drama real humans:
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my thoughts exactly.
generally speaking - shoehorning movie-style ways of storytelling into games doesn't work for me at all. cutscenes must die. it's an interactive medium, last thing i want is to be forced to take a break and watch my avatars do something the interactive bits won't let me achieve myself.
Quite impressive then, wonder about their systems...