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  • odium
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    Might try making his eye glow, might look a bit better there. They are certainly not mindless creatures, but not on the same level as the humans would be, if you get my meaning.
  • ScudzAlmighty
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    just replied to this last pic in waywo but I'll copy paste it here:
    odium wrote: »
    Made another head, wanted to do something a bit different. Yes the ears naff (again) but shhhh :p

    mdr_head7_large.jpg

    hey man, just curious but what are these patches supposed to be made of? In the context of the head I feel like they should be skin, bits of somebody else's face, but the way you've done the stretching and colour they just look like leather patches. If they're leather its fine (could use a higher spec level though) but if it's skin it should really be more like this.


    as far as No Eye's, I didn't even notice so it's probably not a huge deal either way. Personally I find them scarier without as the less human they appear the less ability you would have to reason with them and mindless killing (eating) machines are scary as all fuck.

    that's also why Romero zombies are better than Angry Rage zombies
  • odium
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    It was supposed to be skin, but yeah I do see how it looks more like leather... Then again, you tan skin to make leather :p
  • ScudzAlmighty
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    Yes,
    yes you do... :(
  • odium
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    Half my brains like, thats just... what the fuck?

    The other halves like *save to inspiration folder*

    Bugger me being a games artist is wrong at times lol...
  • odium
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    I really don't know where to go with this one. I was gonna try hair but I keep cocking it up, meh... I even thought of a tiny little fat or something...

    WIP:

    we_all_float.jpg
  • ae.
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    hey odium its seems that your really rushing all these heads im not sure its because you have a deadline to meet? but seeing as this is for your game i would try to take my time and really push a good design.
  • odium
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    Not rushing anything, really. The last few were one hour models, not to rush, but to get my workflow down quicker in a time I didn't have much to do myself.

    This last one, I'm stumped as to where to go, hence why I offered it up for ideas, and hopefully can get some.

    Things like material definitions etc I can fix up, and I'm gonna try and get that flesh on the other one either A) looking more like flesh or B) if its easier looking like leather.

    Certainly not trying to rush, but am trying to be more speedy :p But I can of course go back and fix up anything spotted, no problemo :p
  • Psyk0
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    You're doing fantastic work, but i would like to see improved anatomy on most of these heads, especially the humans, they're not quite there yet and it brings down the quality imo because i keep focusing on features that need to be fixed. The humans have an odd "doll head" feeling, that's the best way i can describe it XD. Keep on kicking ass!
  • daphz
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    I think you've mentioned this before yourself, but those ears need some fixing. I think you could tweak the white face paint a bit too, so it looks like it's been smeared on quickly with a gloved hand instead of looking neatly airbrushed on. Or if i'm totally wrong and it's supposed so be dead skin, it could use some gross blues greens/yellows and purples in there.
    This is an awesome project! it's cool to see your progress/planning.
  • odium
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    I'd be hugely thankful of any paintovers with regards to scales and things that are making these things look like doll heads so I can fix things up or at the very least sort it for the future.

    I'll try on the ears again for next time, I do suck at ears. And the paint, i'll try a bit more there, make the blend less soft.
  • ae.
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    Hey Odium,

    Its always good to concept out what you want to make before you actaully make it,so you dont have to do it as your going. but just want to see if these are just being made for fun or they will be in your project?

    Seeing as how you present yourself i would think the quality of your material is most important, i wouldn't release these into overdose because the quality bar is not very high compared to some of the other assets you have in there.

    As Psyko said most of the heads just look like doll heads due to the fact the anatomy is off.

    been following this project last couple months and im impressed by most of the work keep it up and take what you do with your environments and apply them to your characters quality wise :)

    cheers man sorry cant really give you a good critique im not that great with characters myself :P

    Quality bar:

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  • odium
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    Its worth noting these are not forced heads in any way, every class model will have its default "head" and then you can select another of your choice, but thats up to you. Bit sad that these are so poor I shouldn't include "any" of them, mind you. Maybe its just me, and by all means smack my arse and call me a fool, but I dunno if the quality is THAT much lower than the other heads that I never made:

    od_heads.png

    But alas, I'll see what I can do, but like I said before, would bloody LOVE somebody to paint over why these are coming over so "doll head" like, so I can fix up the scales and stuffs, would help a load.
  • ScudzAlmighty
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    k, I've done a quick paintover of your clowns(you sick bastard) ears to give you an idea of what's off:
    Ears1.jpg

    from what I can tell most of the problems are in the general volume's and how the Helix and Antihelix flow, anatomy of an ear.
    Are you using the same base for all the heads? one thing that stands out is that the ears look the same on all of them (from the angle you posted) and that in all of them the lobule just kind of tapers down into the jaw. While this is certainly true for some people it's just as common for it to protrude and inflate
    it would help to see your topology to get an idea if your edgeflow is fighting with the shape or not.
    Ears2.jpg

    I've got some thoughts on the other heads but not enough to do anything about yet, though one thing that really stands out is the general face to forehead ratio on the white guys there.

    hope that helps some.
  • Psyk0
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    I think the major problem is the size of the skull vs. the size and placement of features. The jaw feels very wide and the chin should be brought down...etc

    It also feels as if the whole head is on the same plane (like a ball shape) when in reality, the features of the face are on a less wider plane than the skull, the zygomatic bone is one of the widest area when seen from the front, while the top of the eyesocket is tapered in, if you watch the sculptover closely you'll see a central plane on the forehead, another on top of the eyesocket and another on the side.

    I tried to match the 3/4 view as best as i could, hope this helps.

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  • odium
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    Right, ok... I have more of an idea here what to do to fix these. The only issue is that most of these are not mine, and it seems the ones with the serious flaws are not my models... so I dunno how much I can fix them, I'll have to fire off a message to Ben and ask if its ok I tweak them a bit.

    Thanks for the input guys, I'll show you what I come up with.
  • odium
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    Ok so forgive these rough pics, I simply changed the mesh and got it ingame with a flat light, hence the spec looking a bit odd, so ignore how its lit/textured, thats not what I was trying to do. But thoughts on this, is this more along the right lines?

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  • odium
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    I still think maybe the heads a bit too tall at the top?
  • odium
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    Ok, So I re-jigged a lot. Please note that I haven't really done anything with the blonde one, its so bad its likely gonna either be ditched or re-made.

    heads_new.jpg

    Older one for comparison here:

    http://www.moddb.com/games/overdose/images/give-me-head-hoooo-ho-hoooo

    I also went back to the ski mask guy and gave him some ears under there, it didn't look right without them.
  • Psyk0
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    Ahh it's much easier to find problems with a front and sideview, so here's original vs. mine, your update already looks like an improvement, way to go.

    Jawline, hairline and ear placement really need to be fixed. The ear should sit right at the midpoint of the sideview, the top of the ears line up with the brow and bottom with the bottom of the nose, it looked way off in front view (perspective?).

    The shape of the skull is debatable, since they come in a variety of freaky shapes, but in general, the highest point is lining up where the ear and jaw connect.

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  • odium
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    All points taken onboard, and than kyou very much for the info. I'm honestly not 100% sure how easy it will be to just re-jig that head mesh, truth be told. With normals as well, too much of a change will be a total ball ache and of course break the normals.

    Now I'm gonna annoy a lot of people here... I don't think its THAT big a deal, right now anyway. The first batch of tube heads? Totally agree, way too tall, way too odd looking! Where its at now? Much better. Perfect? No, but better.

    So, for the moment I think I'm gonna just say unless I can some how find a fix for this that doesn't break it too much, I'll just call it a lesson learned, and move on, putting all this into practise for future heads that we do.

    Just as an aside, if anybody wants to take a stab at this and maybe show me how easy it would be, please be my guest. I've uploaded the head mesh and textures here to grab:

    http://www.team-blur-games.com/odium/head.zip
  • SuPa-
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    Here's a WIP of the MDR Engineer! Most of the stuff is starting to come together, but there's still some stuff that needs touching up on. The pipes on the sides need baked, as well as a few other accessories that aren't displayed (or that I've been too lazy to model yet :P) I've just been badly procrastinating. As well, the hands are untouched besides base colors and AO. I'd like the community's thoughts on it as I'm not very confident of it at the moment since I'm just an inexperienced hobbyist :/

    MDR2SS27.jpg

    Also, these are the two heads that I've made so far
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  • odium
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    Soups knows my thoughts on it :p

    Heres the Marauder Burst Rifle, again looking for somebody to give it extra Mudul Lurve:

    burstriflesheet.jpg

    Concept by the amazing Joseph Silverman.
  • odium
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    BTW SuPa, I've been thinking... The scales were always a little wrong with the player model, and while yes, the rig will be the same for all player models (Same anims), this is exactly the time to change the case scales to something more acceptable IF they are wrong.

    So guys, if these things are scaled wrong (And keep in mind, they were scaled this way to look better ingame, and they do look fine ingame), I would love anybody to tell me. I can't do too much with the heads, but I would rather we nailed th player model scale NOW and fixed all future heads, rather than keep on forcing people to scale models to an odd player scale. Thankfully, thats an easier fix.
  • odium
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    We just added a chat page so that anybody who is registered on the forums can chat with us any time, works really well. Also has support for dev chat:

    http://www.team-blur-games.com/forums/chat/
  • odium
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    So I went back to the drawing board on some new heads, to try and find a decent base scale/shape etc, after some of the previous comments. This is where I'm at so far:

    head_new_wip.jpg
  • konstruct
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    immediately it looks like the area around the bridge of his nose is smashed in.

    I think one of the things that's tripping you up is you keep over defining the edges of the lips. That's a good way to make someone look feminine, but I don't think your going for.

    The upper lip on men is generally well defined because its angled in shadow, while the lower lip should rely on only a faint suggestion. both in value and in form.
  • disanski
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    I made a very little paintover on your 3/4 view where the eye socket is it should be going in like I made it and then sticking back out for the cheekbone and the brow area.
    Also your chin does not end under the ear so probably that could use some more work.
    I believe your eyes are too far back making the slope from your mouth to the them too steep so try to move those around see if that helps :)
  • odium
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    Nice, cheers for the tips/paint overs... New renders coming up in a tickle.
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    Ok, updated. So I changed a few things around, fixed the jaw line, changed the eye sockets, fixed the lips being quite harsh. Better?

    head_new_wip_2.jpg
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