New Character, C&C Request

Mathew O

UPDATE:


Hi folks, I was wondering whether you guys could give me some much needed crit on a character I am doing for my final year at Uni?


I want him to look like some sort of mechanic but I may model some props like guns etc to make him look like he has a side job as a hitman of some sort.


I know this is becoming a very stereotypical character but some crit on his overall proportions would be great.
Here's what i'm thinking so far, I would like to try and keep to a sort of stylized ogre type of build.

Other than that go crazy, I know there are so many great artists here that know better than me.

Umar6419

Shoulder area really sucks. what happened to upper arm and hand. character arms are never modeled like this.. It is done by keeping in mind that they are going to be rigged and somebody is going to animate or Pose them atleast and Rigging a character like your one is extremely hard or impossible,,,this type of modeling always cause deformation problems and Simple arm twisting fails..
e.g
can you pose or rotate like this

this is how..


Readjust arms like this....it will not take your enough time..

Mathew O

No worries, thanks man. I'll try that

Mathew O

Changes I've made:

Bigger Hands
Bigger Head
Reposed arms
Dropped neck line on vest

ysalex

Hey man, more anatomy stuff.

His hands are still tiny and his arms are too short. A good rule of 'thumb' is that your wingspan is usually equal to your height. Rarely is it more than a few inches off either short or long. Looks to be at least a foot short (assuming this isn't a giant) all-together, so at least six inches to either arm.

His pecks attach to the shoulders very wide. The attachment almost seems to occur in a lateral line with where his shoulders attach to his back. To fix this, move his pecks inwards, not the muscle that sits on his ribcage, but where the muscles attach to the shoulder and insert above the bicep.

His nose and mouth need actual shape, and his ears sit on his head strange. They should be more incorporated into the shape of the skull.

Good luck with him.

Mathew O

ysalex wrote: »

Hey man, more anatomy stuff.

His hands are still tiny and his arms are too short. A good rule of 'thumb' is that your wingspan is usually equal to your height. Rarely is it more than a few inches off either short or long. Looks to be at least a foot short (assuming this isn't a giant) all-together, so at least six inches to either arm.

His pecks attach to the shoulders very wide. The attachment almost seems to occur in a lateral line with where his shoulders attach to his back. To fix this, move his pecks inwards, not the muscle that sits on his ribcage, but where the muscles attach to the shoulder and insert above the bicep.

His nose and mouth need actual shape, and his ears sit on his head strange. They should be more incorporated into the shape of the skull.

Good luck with him.

Thanks man! I appreciate it

gilesruscoe

Looking good so far man, i echo everything thats already been said. Just correcting the size of his hands will make it look alot better;



edit: Looks like he's trying to fly

Mathew O

gilesruscoe wrote: »

Looking good so far man, i echo everything thats already been said. Just correcting the size of his hands will make it look alot better;
edit: Looks like he's trying to fly

Thanks for the feedback man, it really helps

I have to go out food shopping with my girlfriend now so I'll make more changes later dependent on what you guys think.

Changes so far:

Posed Hands
Bigger Hands
Longer arms
Pec to delt connection
Slightly shorter delts
Made a few changes to the face
Gave him some clavicles



Face close up: http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/1448/franksface.png

Is it just me or do the legs look a little short in comparison to the torso?

Mathew O

I've tried putting some more love into the face and at the same time I've been trying to figure out the BPR, I did make some lenses for his eyeballs but I can't get the transparency work

Mathew O

Hey guys here's my progress so far, I'd love to know what you think (especially when it comes to anatomy).

Neox

you should fix the biceps, right now the upper arm is rotated like in your initial version but the lower arm is twisted now, so the biceps should also be twisted a bit downwards

Mathew O

Neox wrote: »

you should fix the biceps, right now the upper arm is rotated like in your initial version but the lower arm is twisted now, so the biceps should also be twisted a bit downwards

Thanks dude, appreciate it.

Here's what I have so far, hopefully with fixed biceps:

Mathew O

Here's my progress so far, lemme know what you think

theslingshot

Looking very nice! that shirt is awesome

Mathew O

theslingshot wrote: »

Looking very nice! that shirt is awesome

Thanks man, I think tomorrow I'm going to have to pose the arms down and do some shifting about as I think lowering his arms are going to cause problems at the moment.

Mathew O

Here's where I am so far, I need to start trying to make the jeans look a lil more realistic now and I think I am going to give him a watch.

jeremiah_bigley

The two largest things bothering me are the shoulder and bicep. They are both too large.
I think you are underplaying the pectorals and overplaying the shoulder. The pectorals should be wider for a guy this size. Also what is making it look too large is the lack of a collar bone. No matter the size of a guy... the collar bone never gets covered. So where it connects into the shoulder needs to be defined and more visible which in turn should pull back the size of the shoulder a bit.

The bicep doesn't seem to tuck under into the armpit very well on your model and it seems like your brought the bicep a little too far down into the forarm. It is more of a tendon in that spot so it should probably taper down a bit sooner. Something to keep in mind is that the bicep is not as big as people think. The tricep is actually significantly larger than the bicep. The tricep actually make up almost 2/3s of the upper arm's mass.


Posted some pics that should hopefully give some examples of what I am talking about in these cases.

http://www.musclelegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/jaycutler15.jpg
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2006/bg52_1024.jpg
http://cdn.simplyshredded.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Picture-0111-300x224.jpg
http://i52.tinypic.com/2u4r3uf.jpg
http://www.images-fonds.com/modules/mg3/albums/Bodybuilding_Musculation/Arnold-Schwarzenegger/arnold13.jpg
http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/q8demon/BodyBuilding/m67.jpg

Mathew O

Thanks dude, I'll try give that a shot

Mathew O

Ok I've tried to use all of that feedback. I've pulled the biceps out of the forearms, tucked the biceps into the arm pits more, redone the delts, added the collar bones and increase the size of his pecs a little.

jeremiah_bigley

Tons more natural! Great job implementing that critique. Got 2 last things that were kinda bothering me earlier. Didn't say anything because I didn't want to overload you/look like a douche... But since you handled it so awesomely...

I feel like his neck should be a bit longer and his head a bit larger.
And lastly his forearms need some definition. Believe me... I know it is hard to sculpt forearms. I still battle it. Do some research on "forearm muscle groups" and get to know the flexors and extensors. Yes the forearm muscle groups have muscle groups... lol It is because there are so many muscles within the forearm.

It is difficult to find really helpful forearm pictures because they change pretty drastically depending on how the arm is positioned/turned. But I am still going to try and find some for you.


Be aware that this one is straight muscle. There is no skin or fat or anything for that matter on this one.
http://www.nevererase.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/armstudyprogressionfront.jpg

http://www.zbrushcentral.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=227131

http://www.pseudo-pod.com/temp/Guile/guile.htm

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7j84z_RMjSs/TZTikT8jGNI/AAAAAAAAHpA/MdKU1S__7uQ/s1600/joel-stubbs-muscles.jpg

jeremiah_bigley

Looking back at some of your first pics... You have come a long way in just a little over a month. Keep up the good work man.

Mathew O

jeremiah_bigley wrote: »

Looking back at some of your first pics... You have come a long way in just a little over a month. Keep up the good work man.

Thanks alot, that's really nice of you. I had kind of given up on his anatomy until the 1st when I decided to crack down on my anatomy knowledge. The fear of not being good enough for a job when I finish in a few months is a good motivator

Thanks alot for all the feedback and the effort you're putting in to getting me images.

EDIT: BTW your rat is amazing!

theslingshot

jeremiah_bigley // I will so use those refs as well. Really helpful crits!

Mathew O

Here's where I am so far, I'm pretty stuck with what to do on the belt buckle so any ideas would be awesome

theslingshot

I would go with something big or custom-like car/truck-inspired and something fun to sculpt.

http://bootsnallonline.co.nz/images/AT023.JPG
http://www.manufacturer.com/cimages/product/Buynow.www.wholesalecentral.com/0401/x/38831.jpg
http://www.beltbucklechina.com/d/file/wholesale-belt-buckles/car-or-truck-belt-buckles/13576a5cbcdebb21e6dd8e910aa173d9.jpg

jeremiah_bigley

Thanks guys

Alright man... last round of stuff. I figured I would do a paintover this time now that you have a recent full body shot..
The face wasn't working very well. He was kinda looking like a fat and sad Bruce Willis. Gave him a little bit more heroic features which gives him a bit more interest.

Mathew O

Hey man, thanks again for the awesome crit

That full body shot was using the perspective camera so it throws the proportions all over the place, here's how he actually looks:



I'll definitely adjust the lats and forearms as per your feedback but I'm unsure as to whether I want to adjust the size of his head and feet anymore as I feel that it might make him look much shorter that I intended. I'm currently thinking 6'5'' ish.

Also I am totally going to try and get his lips as good as the ones in your paintover.

Lemme know what you think

Mathew O

Hey guys, I had to take some time off of frank to get an assignment for uni finished but I'm back on him now. Started texturing the face, would love some feedback

Mathew O

Hey guys, I have done a little more texturing on Frank. I am also planning on giving him a flat cap and I also need to add the belt loops to his jeans.

I would love some critique, especially on the texturing.