HK UMP 45

Wiktor

Hello!

I started working on this UMP 45 because I felt I needed to practise my eye for references. Been having some problems translating references into my models. I also felt this was a good model to practise on because I need to work on my normal map baking skills.

This is what I have so far:



It's a very rough blockout, and I'm currently trying to make sure the proportions are correct.

These are the refs I've been using:







Please let me know if there's anything you think is wrong.

Cheers!

Wiktor

Small update.
Just started sub-d. Still not much detail there, but I'm getting the main shapes there.

Please let me know what you think!

THE 5

From what I can tell the grips corners look a little bit to sharp, painful to hold.
Other than that I am looking forwart to the next updates

Wiktor

Thanks for the crit!
I've smoothed out the grip now, as well as tweaked and added some other stuff.

Please let me know what you think!



Cheers!

Wiktor

Small update.
Having some problems with the butt.. But at least I managed to get the hinge part OK.

Please let me know what you think!



Cheers!

Wiktor

Another small update.

Been working on the details that will be visible in first person view, and I've been refining some areas.

Hope you like it so far!

Kitteh

The pistol grip should be wider. It should almost match the receiver above it in terms of width. Also, the block underneath the front sight ring is way too big. If you look at your refs, it should be quite a bit narrower than the front sight ring. The whole top surface of the receiver there should be made narrower.

Wiktor

Kitteh wrote: »

The pistol grip should be wider. It should almost match the receiver above it in terms of width. Also, the block underneath the front sight ring is way too big. If you look at your refs, it should be quite a bit narrower than the front sight ring. The whole top surface of the receiver there should be made narrower.

Thanks for mentioning the front sight!
I've gone over the refs and fixed it!
I also made the top block thinner, just like you said. I think it looks better now.

Is this better?


Thanks!

Wiktor

Fixed the width of the handle, and added some more details.

is it looking better?

Kitteh

Yeah, you're on the right track. I think the base of the pistolgrip should be wider than the top; it looks like it tapers in the ref.

Wiktor

Started textuting this bad bow now!
It's basicly just an occlusion map and a dark background color, so not much to crit on now I guess.
Just wanted to show you the progress I've made.

Wiktor

Small update.
Still working on blocking out the diffuse.

Wiktor

Ok.. Feels like I'm getting closer to the finish line.

Please let me know what you think!



Cheers!

AlecMoody

The texture is too uniform. Try working on differentiating the plastic and metal parts and add some subtle dirt buildup around areas where junk is likely to get trapped (where the uppers meet the sight block, small block in front of the trigger guard that connects to the mag well, rails...). Some carefully placed large scale variation would be good too.

Kitteh

What happened to the nice roundness in the stock where it meets the receiver? Looked great on your highpoly but it's just square on the LP.

and yeah, like Alec says, the texture is too uniform, but at least you haven't gone the way of Rainbow Six Vegas and just covered the thing in a rusty carpet texture. Don't forget there's probably a fair amount of text and symbols on the real one that you could add in.

Wiktor

AlecMoody: Yes, I agree that the texture is a bit uniform.
I was thinking about making it more worn, just for that purpose. I could also try to add some slight color variation to the different parts, but that wouldn't do very much to the end product.

It is pretty bland looking in real life too.



Kitteh: I didn't notice that myself until you mentioned it actually.
I'll see to it, and add a few polies there so that it looks better in first person view.

Thanks guys! I appreciate it.

Kitteh

On second thought, it looks like it actually matches your refs better being square like that.

Also, the bottom of the pistolgrip could still stand to be wider.

Wiktor

Alright.. I think I'm ready to call this finished now.

Wiktor

Alright.
Sorry about that. I wasn't done! I had a chat with a friend of mine who gave me some really great crits, so I'm currently working on improving the sense of materials.

This is what I've got so far:



Cheers!

3DLee

Just read through it all, nice work!

Kitteh

The lower receiver is reading like metal. Is it supposed to be?

Wiktor

Kitteh wrote: »

The lower receiver is reading like metal. Is it supposed to be?

From the feedback I've been getting it is.

xk0be

I think the main difference is how dark this is, a normal UMP is pretty blueish. Just a slight dark blue hue might be worth looking into?

If you look at the one from MW2 you'll see its quite a bit lighter and with a hint of blue (http://www.themodernwarfare2.com/mw2/multiplayer/weapons/sub-machine-guns/ump45/)

Wiktor

Thanks for the crit xk0be!
I'll definately tint it more blue today.

kodde

Looking good Disting.

Here's a good gun ref page if you were unaware of it. Has the UMP along with lots of other guns. Usually many refs and high res.
http://www.pixagogo.com/DeicideNBF

I'd definitely spend some more time on the presentation of this piece. Add some more interesting lighting and play around with tweaking material definitions.

Wiktor

Picked up the texture work this morning again, and this is what I have so far:



Crits appreciated!

Wiktor

I think I'm done now.



Cheers!

Wiktor

Alright.. I kept working on it when I got home.
I really want this as good as possible.

Please let me know what you think!

n88tr

texture is still bland and unoriginal. model is great but texture leaves a lot to be desired

Mr-Jigsaw

How exactly can the texture be unoriginal when it's meant to replicate an actual real world weapon? It is bland, but unoriginal is far from the right word.

Wiktor

Would you mind giving me some feedback on how to make it less bland?
Personally I'm happy with the look, but I'd love to improve it so that others think it look good too, but I'll need some feedback for that.

ShootandRun

I think it looks awesome as is, comparing it to the photo reference you have earlier in the post, very nice job. Maybe a side by side comparison would be cool? Make the model in the same pose as the photo so people can really see how cool it looks

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Raider

Try add some slight colour into the specs to help break apart all the metal, i doubt the gun is made of exactly the same metal all over, there should be different levels of specularity / colouring etc

xk0be

Disting wrote: »

Would you mind giving me some feedback on how to make it less bland?
Personally I'm happy with the look, but I'd love to improve it so that others think it look good too, but I'll need some feedback for that.

It definitely looks good, for blandness I suggest just some wear and tear or something man. http://www.themodernwarfare2.com/mw2/multiplayer/weapons/sub-machine-guns/ump45/

If you check out that 3rd pic you'll see how much dirt and scratches are on the gun, also is your UMP a different model or something because there's so much interesting stuff on the side of theirs while yours from the FPS view especially is and I hate to put it this way because it's a good model.... It's not spectacularly interesting to look at.

Wiktor

Thank you for the feedback guys!

I'd rather not compare my game model with other game models. I'd rather compare it with real-world weapons. Plus, I don't like the modern warfare weapons, as I think it looks like they've been hit by a small meteor shower. ^^

However, I think it's a great idea to put some more color onto the metal. I'm currently playing around with some purples to see if I can get bring forth some interesting looks.

And yes, their model is not the same as mine. Judging from all refs I've seen, they have either a heavily modified UMP45, or they've made one up.

I've actually been thinking about adding some tactical attachments to it, just because I want it to look more interesting from first-person view. But I don't want to modify it the way they have.

Honestly I don't know what they've done to their model. Is it a prototype of a new UMP? I'd love to know!

SkyWay

How did the mw weapon get into that shape o_O

Sorry, random comment. Looking good Disting, though I still miss the camo ; P

kodde

Here's some ideas.
Increase general light intensities a bit. Play around with perhaps adding some color to one or more of your lights in the scene. Maybe add a more interesting backdrop.

Wiktor

Thanks for all your advices! I'm keeping them in mind as I work.

Currently I'm trying to make the first person view as interesting as possible, without losing the feel of realism.

I've added a laser sight now. Please let me know what you think!

Wiktor

Another FPV shot:

Wiktor

And another render with a new lighting setup:

dansher

im not sure what the real ones look like but maybe you should add some more details or something alone the side,

it looks a little flat when its in first person

Drav

Guns are a little bit like sound for Hollywood films. Getting it to look exactly like the real thing can leave you with a dull product. Military weapons are by design black and not very shiny. The interesting ones from an art point of view are usually beaten up, worn, dropped, scratched and dusty.

So, given that you'll have to apply a tiny bit of artistic licence inless you're modelling a brand new weapon, think fading along the edges where it gets brushed aginst stuff a lot, dust in some of the deeper recesses, maybe a few little scratches, and what I see quite a lot on older guns is where something had been rubbed soo much that the paint has just slowly faded off

On a more technical note, a reflection mask would add more interest to the side lighting, and you might be able to squeeze some fingerprints in somewhere too....

Hope it helps!

Wiktor

Thank you very much Drav!
Very interesting feedback!

Currently I'm modeling something that'll hopefully make the FPV a lot more interesting!
Will post here later today!

Chclve

Looks pretty good, but i'd add some contrast in the specular

Wiktor

Thank you!
I'll try that!
Meanwhile, here's an update with the WIP-Ready Mag.

kodde

Lighting is starting to look better. I liked the light in post #41 best so far.
The extras are nice as well. I agree with what drav is saying.

Andreas

Adding that clip has made a big difference, looks great in FPS now. Nice texture too, there's a very visible variation in material types and some nice dust etc. Really nice.

xk0be

Major improvements man! It looks so much better.

Wiktor

Thank you!

Tomorrow I hope to get the time to remove half the stock, seeing as it's for first person view primarily.
This will allow me to put more UV space for the iron sight and other pieces that require a bit more texture resolution.

Thank you all for your feedback! I greatly appreciate it.

Kitteh

Looking better. Crank up the contrast on your specular; it doesn't seem to be doing much atm.