Mexican thug

arrangemonk

noone gives me any critique in the what are you working on tread, so its really hard to figure out what is really odd and stuff and slight changes

so i decided to make an own tread for this

im still a bit strugling which details to add, maybe a gun, but what type a real machete (not a crappy shape blah blah think like i have now and i dont know i i should try sculpt some details in this guy, since its comic style type and so on

im begging for help and assistance, like always, but explicit this time

Josh_Singh

arms are Jacked, feet don't fit the sylization, doesn't feel balanced, put him in a more balanced pose.

Pope Adam

the elbows are kinda floppy and the forearms look popeye, but not in the cool kind of way, but in an accidental way. The shoulder/bicep area looks kindof weird like someone just took a clay tube and smashed a part of it. No real anatomy going on here.

Perhaps you're going for a style - if so post your reference?

Mcejn

Holy crap, the poor bastard doesn't have feet! It just looks as if he's got stubs at the end of his legs.

Mark Dygert

I like the face and head shape in the front view, cool stuff. But I think there is too much turkey waddle in the neck.
Hips are too wide also, legs need to be closer at the hips, right now his legs form an upside down U but it should be more of a upside down V shape. Even fat peoples hips don't displace and move outward, the fat just gets layered on over the top of everything.

arrangemonk

THANK YOU GUYS!
so ive done some changes:
made the arms more belivable, hanged the hip width and lenghte the arms, and added other shoes (still not happy about them and shoulders)

but is it already is it better?

edit: i think im going to make these shoes, are fittimg more
http://www.polo-motorrad.de/shop/Bekleidung-Schuhe-Stiefel-Chopper-Cruiser-Spirit-Cowboy-Stiefel-Men/group/1059/dmc_mb3_search_pi1.filter.GROUP_PATH.0/(1059)+Freizeitschuhe/dmc_mb3_search_pi1.page/1/product/139899/L/0/Produktdetail.productdetails.0.html
or these
http://picture.yatego.com/images/4520e1836a1633.4/buffalo-boot-bikerstiefel-braun-1.jpg

SHEPEIRO

better feet now, but i liked the pointy boots style better just not the propotions

arrangemonk

new boots, im pretty satisfied with them

Ruz

I think you should hold back on the mega detail until you have sorted the proportions out. he is very stumpy but not in a nice cartoony way.

just find a pic of a reasonable sized human and match it up

arrangemonk

what do you mean by stumpy?
edit: he doesnt look that deformed with the new boots

Mark Dygert

I like the new boots!

His spinning back-crack is... hypnotic...

The muscle flow in his arms is kind of weird and segmented. The mass in his forearms should probably move back toward his elbow a little bit? The elbow transition looks kind of long, his hands look like they'll fall around his knees, when they should hit roughly the mid thigh.

arrangemonk

like this?

edit: fixed the overall gayness and now i think its kinda usable(had some issues with max crashing tough)

Josh_Singh

Looking better. But why do you have his default pose like that?

arrangemonk

this pose doesnt require twists

BuCC

Hey, nice improvements, i like the style. I think you need to work some more on connecting the forearm to the upper arm (upper arm? doesn't sound like a word, sorry, this isn't my native toungue).
It seems you're approaching the two parts of the arm like separate units connected with a bend, while in fact some major muscles (like the braccioradialis) tend transcend the bend by running from behind the bicep, twisting up into the upper part of the forearm. Also the elbows could use a bit more mass.

Loraine Howard iii

I like the style of the character, your new boots are kick ass. I think you need to make the legs longer he look weird, and work on the forearm and elbow some more. Are you gonna sculpt any in zbrush?

Daaark

When did Danny Trejo get so fat? :P

arrangemonk

a beatyshot for the finished jacket
i dont really know how to change the arms, looked at mine, and the're like a weird cylinder with hair

edit:
http://rapidshare.com/files/232630098/arm.obj.html
its an obj file of the left arm, i hope this makes it easyer to crit them

Mark Dygert

Some good progress, nice detailing on the jacket.

1) A pose will never eliminate the need for twists, only limited motion in the animation will do that. It's quite possible to pose it this way and still need twists. They're pretty common and easy to set up in both Max and Maya. If its hurting the creation process its probably ok to drop the pose. I don't think the reward is worth it.

2) The pose and the angle of the shots make it hard to critique the arms...

Mcejn

Like Vig said, it's a bit hard to judge the arms with that pose. Though I think they're probably too long, more specifically the upper arm/bicep area. I picture this guy being rather meaty with his arms, it's pretty hard to tell but something just feels off about them.

Either way I'm really digging this character, great work!

Neox

Why exactly do you thing this pose would need twists? naturally it would be better in that case that you twist the hands so they are facing inwards not upwards, right now you would need to rotate the hand by 180° if you want them to face down, if you have them facing inwards you only need 90° for up and 90° for down.
Also if you look at your arms in that pose the masses of the arms are different and the ellbow is definitely in the center of the arm an not flowing to any direction
and anotherpoint is, where is wrist joint of the hand? the arme is flowing into the hand, which is possible stylewise but the fingers are too detailes to have it that way, so i'd suggest to add a wrist to his hand

did a very quick change on the model, maybe it helps

www.polyphobia.de/nonpublic/arm.obj

arrangemonk

ok now you should see them good^^
edit, thanks neox, i changed the arm again without difference in the end result lol^^

edit2: "really quick"... welded the arm in my model and it looked 100 times better than the orginal, now im jelaus of your skills :,(
im gettring rtired, working 12 hours on this guy today...
i think im gonna do something tomorrow again...

Neox

grab an anatomy book
the new pose is definitely better for rigging and skinning and also for modelling
but you shouldunderstand how the bones are built and the muscles are constructed around them, even though its stylized, that knowledge will give you a way more believable result.

arrangemonk

http://img410.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=64250111.jpg
thanks again, i tweaked your suggestions in the new pose
now i hope its good ^^

raul

Ha that's great! Your model reminds me of the guy from machete! Which in my opinion is the most toughest ugliest...yet badass mofo around!

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R10ljA0-sHs&feature=related[/ame]

i will have to agree and say that the model started looking odd. Good job tweaking it. However, on your new updates. There is weirdness going on on the forearms where the hands connect. There seems to be a huge valley on the under part of the forearms. Right where the wrist and the arm connect.

I know its the style of the character, but you are missing the hour glass shape that connect the wrist and the arms, and giving waytoo much dept underneath the wrist area, depth that extends almost all the way to the elbows.

arrangemonk

yeah i know, i hat danny trejo pictures as eye and nose reference(the underpart of the face looks a bit different, bt there is the beard^^)

fixed that valley on the forearm , looks better, but where should be a hourglass shape ?
confuses me kind of

edit:
here is the final peace of arm i even fixed the ugly thumbnails(its for subdivision, so subdivide befor view)
http://www.blitzforum.de/upload/file.php?id=5517

edit2:
now i wanted to do something non organic again
so i started the bike

edit3:

arrangemonk

according to this model i found out, that orange county chopper are really peaces of crap

Mark Dygert

Ahh cool I like the bike so far, lots of style

arrangemonk

i could model unneccecary crap for this ike like for weeks, its awesome^^

butt_sahib

MORE DETAIL! cant get enuff

arrangemonk

did the rear break, maybe i could change it somehow, but it looks good already

arrangemonk

ok,sorry for doubleposting again, but here is the lowpoly of the motorbike
i still left some cables, because i want to make planes for them (easy work for the end ^^)


edit: and the finished highpoly in comparision

nrek

Good looking bike so far arrangemonk, the spoked wheel is a nice change of pace from seeing all these choppers with cnc cut rims. Looks like you have lots of extra loops in the chain though. Did you just make a single lowpoly link and build a chain out of that? If so it might be better to just model the chain as one piece and use a tiled chain texture on it.

arrangemonk

hmm thanks
totally forgot about it