enviroment wip
heyhey ,
i'm working on a semi-high-tech base enviroment at the moment for cg chat's enviroment contest ( havent post a topic there yet , got some wierd problem with my browser and cgchat forum , no need to rush anyway)
it's a deserted base like fallout serie's vaults. i need some C&C cuz i'm stuck with some parts of it atm. anyway , here are the pics ;
and some beauty-test renders ;
some notes ;
-that little yellow things meant to be little yellow warning light but as you see came out horrible. i dont know anything about glow-glowing object :S i dont want to use extra texture for glowing map but i dunno if its possible to make something decent without it. need some glow for lights , comsoles , monitors...
-blue surface under train ( yea thats a train :S) isnt water. just a little prob with light.
-bottom right part of "loading bay" is way too empty atm , i got a huge door there , somehow its missing in all shots , my bad.
-i get some wierd white pixel at the green coverings over crates. prob something about opacity , it looks normal in viewport but not in renders somehow . any idea what may be wrong?
-some parts are still mid poly , havent done low poly replacement for them yet. like ceiling supports etc. its obvious but still wanted to tell
-i only use normal map for floor&walls. and in all screens normal maps is in-active due to some prob i have in viewport with it. forgot to activate it for renders.
-all room (loading bay) have too many poly for an enviroment atm i think ( tho i dont have any idea what ideal for such an enviroment) , but most of it is unseen parts of crate , which i'll delete after i done all modelings.
-in game view is planned to be like the one in first shots. fallout-like but closer.its hard tho , too close to go low poly , too far to go fps-like mid poly...
-got too many textures so posted non of them. if any required for crits , just tell me which , i'll upload them
and one last thing , i'm still a begginer in 3d and this is my first enviroment so please be harsh as u want (as vig said in another topic "rip my art apart and tell me how to make it better" ) & clear on C&C so i can understand
i'm working on a semi-high-tech base enviroment at the moment for cg chat's enviroment contest ( havent post a topic there yet , got some wierd problem with my browser and cgchat forum , no need to rush anyway)
it's a deserted base like fallout serie's vaults. i need some C&C cuz i'm stuck with some parts of it atm. anyway , here are the pics ;
and some beauty-test renders ;
some notes ;
-that little yellow things meant to be little yellow warning light but as you see came out horrible. i dont know anything about glow-glowing object :S i dont want to use extra texture for glowing map but i dunno if its possible to make something decent without it. need some glow for lights , comsoles , monitors...
-blue surface under train ( yea thats a train :S) isnt water. just a little prob with light.
-bottom right part of "loading bay" is way too empty atm , i got a huge door there , somehow its missing in all shots , my bad.
-i get some wierd white pixel at the green coverings over crates. prob something about opacity , it looks normal in viewport but not in renders somehow . any idea what may be wrong?
-some parts are still mid poly , havent done low poly replacement for them yet. like ceiling supports etc. its obvious but still wanted to tell
-i only use normal map for floor&walls. and in all screens normal maps is in-active due to some prob i have in viewport with it. forgot to activate it for renders.
-all room (loading bay) have too many poly for an enviroment atm i think ( tho i dont have any idea what ideal for such an enviroment) , but most of it is unseen parts of crate , which i'll delete after i done all modelings.
-in game view is planned to be like the one in first shots. fallout-like but closer.its hard tho , too close to go low poly , too far to go fps-like mid poly...
-got too many textures so posted non of them. if any required for crits , just tell me which , i'll upload them
and one last thing , i'm still a begginer in 3d and this is my first enviroment so please be harsh as u want (as vig said in another topic "rip my art apart and tell me how to make it better" ) & clear on C&C so i can understand
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Two things I think you should work on:
1) Refine the prop pass, add more props, less crates, less polys on the crates and add more machinery, hoses work stations ect. The poly detail on the crates could be done with normal maps or just well faked textures. Adding crates for detail is kind of level artist code for "I don't care or don't have time to do something interesting with this space". It's also code to Art Directors that says "I could have dreamed up some sweet grungy machinery but I copped out".
2) Texture pass, mostly centered on specularity. It's hard to tell what is concrete and what is metal they both are reading about the same.
3) ok 3 things, The blood stain on the floor is bright red and very localized. Blood turns into a dark brown color and does weird things to crete and metal (don't ask how I know heh) It's location is right outside of what looks like an aid station, yet no blood leads too or from it? Depending on the wounded traffic in and out of this place that floor could be pretty nasty. Even on light traffic the floor looks too clean and unworn to be believable. The blood pattern looks like spray pattern only. No drips, smears or trails. With blood trails you have a chance to tell a story about how someone was hurt:
- A big spray of blood on the floor. The initial wound. Darkest of the bloody bits because it is the oldest and spray dries quicker than drops.
- Drops and smears leading to a puddle behind a bulkhead. A feeble attempt to crawl away. Drops dry from the outside (least dense) to the inside, so depending on how long it has been sitting there it could have a darker ring around each drop, smaller drops might be completely dark.
- A finishing move leaving spray on the bulkhead and a puddle on the floor.
- Trail and drag marks fading off down the hall or under a door in an attempt to hide the body or use it for something more sinister.
Right now the story of the blood in the hall is, a large rat or small dog exploded, the end.
You have the right idea using opacity maps to draw the blood over tiling textures, a good way to do it when you can't do custom textures for everything, which is most games. But I think you could simplify the planes to 1-2 polys.
About the Glow Effect:
If you're using Max and this isn't for any specific game so you're just trying to get a good glow effect going, then I suggest creating an omni light where you want the glow to come from, and to that light add a Volume Light Effect.
Select the light, On the modify panel in the "Atmospheres & Effects" rollout add a "Volume Light".
Select the Volume Light in the list and click Setup, set the fog color to yellow and bump the density up to 15-20-ish.
If you turn on "Use Far Attenuation" it will show you where the fog will stop and start. Yellow sphere is 100% of the light settings (including effects) and the brown sphere is 0% and acts like a visual cage for your volume light effect.
Keep in mind that many engines have different ways of doing glow effects so there isn't one right way. And in portfolio pieces (that is if I ever update my portfolio) I like to use max as if it was the level editor, using particles, fog, sky lights. But all keeping it within the normal rules of low poly modeling and Game Engine Constraints. In other words use Max to fake the things that would be done outside of your department, just don't abuse it to the point people say 'yeah but it wouldn't look that pretty in game'.
You have some really good work put into it, with a TINY amount of polish I think you could have some amazing work. Keep at it, it's looking great!
thx vig! lots of usefull tips
-forgot to mention before ; it's planned for a rpg game. something like fallout or baldur's gate. got low detail especially on floor cuz i'm planning to fill floor with gore details later.
-although i agree that lots of crates looks like a cheap trick to fill empty places ; i'll prob wont reduce the crate number as i want place to look full , stocked of somethings . machinery idea is great tho , somehow i havent thought that before
-crate polycount isnt much important i think , both little ones and large ones got 142 tri each atm , but all crate got at least 1 side that's imposibble to see (some got even 4-5 sides) , which i'll delete. maybe i should use large ones more as they have same tri count.
- that blood was just a little test , but thx for tips
-i'll sure try glow effect
anyway gotta go back to work ,
thx again , i'll post new renders soon
some new parts , some material test with floor etc. i'm kinda bored with loading bay tho :S i'll start another room now prob. i started loading bay without finishin corridor , starting another room without finishing this... i hope i'll have enough time before contest deadline.
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a little update ,
these will be my last beauty renders for a long time :S i have wasted way too many time for them , i just cant stop myself , workin on render&lightining before finishing models.
back to modelling now tho , got a new room to fulfill
notes ;
-using vray in beauty renders
-still not happy with floor mat in loading bay
-still cant make glow effect -_-
-white glow at the new room is little light prob , not intended or etc.
-15 days left , hopefully there'll be 1-2 more room.
-got low c&c tho , am i doin something wrong? i mean if anyone wanna see texture or etc to say something , just tell me
second room , meant to be something like "general store". what i have in mind was "store" actually but i couldnt find true word for it :S my english sux a bit
far from completed , some models not textured , some needs better ones , i also dont like little boxes on shelves , all will be remodeled soon.
actually i'm looking for reference pics for 3rd room atm , but havent found anything yet :S i'm planing a bathroom like the ones in horror films&games. i remember seein that in many games but cant find any pics somehow. you know , a place that bath's , locker's , toilet's all together ; old style tiled walls&floor etc.
i had some problems so this 2nd room is mostly build with same models from "loading bay". (plz let me know if somethings look overused) but hopefully everything in 3rd room will be new
2nd shot is a wierd pov , just to show some details , check normal maps etc.
thx for your time,C&C's
here is my cgchat wip topic btw
Also, watch the texture tiling in the showers-- the tile walls don't seem to match up quite right in a couple places (in the details view). You could fix it by changing the offset of the texture in Photoshop and cleaning up from there, making sure the texture tiles with itself, then setting offset back to normal.
Either way, I like what you have so far! Hope this helped!
tile problem fixed already , somehow i didnt noticed that before.
i love propaganda poster idea. somehow i didnt thought that before , i'll be working on them soon.
i'm working on leaks atm. maybe some half-dried water etc.
actually i was hoping to avoid "open-lockers".i build them in kinda wierd way so prob i'll have to rebuild them all. totally my stupidness , if you're build locker , they should be openable right..
anyway , back to work , thx again
Alex
sage- thx soo much , i search alot for such screens before starting this room but couldnt find any. those really helped , thx
chanced nearly all textures , broke some tiles at walls , some pipes ( gonna add more) , gotta add some detail to floor tiles prob , gonna add washbowls ( is that the true word for it?) etc.
gonna post a more detailed shot soon
Alex
I would also suggest that the tiles on top of the wall between the lockers and the showers look the same as the rest of the tile walls-- or at least they should be covered in dust, if these showers have been abandoned for a long time-- just to maintain the overall appearance.
Nice job, it looks really good!
wipeout- nice ideas again , i'm working on trash&dirt on floor , done some nice dust etc but my comp is killing me whenever i use detailed opacity maps :S i dunno if thats normal , i'll post some screens tomorrow for any ideas about render setting etc for it.
the wall behind lockers isnt really textured yet , i'm just trying dirt effect in the middle then i'll use it allover the place
got some wierd problems in this render. somehow bathroom walls are transparent :S prob lowered opacity by mistake somehow. dirt on lockers ( 2nd row) is a bit overkill. those thin black lines in baths are again another opacity map prob.
this view is way too far actually , lots of details lost. but it takes hours to render just one scene with my crappy comp and i didnt wanna waste time with 3-5 close-up shots. hopefully they'll be all done in 5 days tho
kinda bad render actually , i noticed that now. i'll post some viewport shots soon.
thx for viewing , any c&c welcome
ps. normal maps arent active so textures looks a bit raw
Submission topic
Wip Topic (fewer pics then this topic tho )
thx for viewing