Horny Dragon

Squirmy

This is a project I am doing just for fun. Its not orginal or anything but fantasy art is my favorite. I wanted to try making a high poly version and projecting the detail onto a low poly. Crits and workflow suggestions would be much apreciated.

Im basically finished modeling the head and now trying to bring the body up to the same level of detail.

Here is some concept art



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JDinges

The head looks a tad too large compared to the body.

Squirmy

yes, I see your point. Maybe the detail will help flesh out the body. Thats an easy adjustment, thanks

Phopojijo

I actually disagree with JD. The head, while it does look bigger... will (I think) look too small (if you change it), once the detail on the body gets added.

This of course assume the detail will be added by pulling faces away from the current, smooth body.

Squirmy

I scaled the head down some, and added some definition to the front leg and shoulder.

Mongrelman

Great stuff, love the concept art.

I think it could do with more shape to its back. It's a carnivore so it's spine is more flexible, I think its lower back should be pulled in more. So you'd have big bump (shoulders) valley (lower back) not-as-big bump (hips).

I also think the back half should be larger, at the moment the arms much longer than the legs, giving it a bit of a gorilla appearance. I'd also lower the shoulders so they are more like a horse's


You can see how the scapula points down as opposed to the side like in humans, so the actual shoulder is quite low. The muscles at the base of the wings would help bulk up where you currently have the shoulder, so it should still be able to keep a similar physique to what you have now.

almighty_gir

i wouldnt make them more like horses at all, dragons in MOST (i appreciate, not all) forms, are built like cats, for greater agility. and if your using the DND Draconomicon as a reference, it clearly states and shows anatomical pictures in there.

a cat:

Mongrelman

The cat shows the same thing I was referring to about horses: the shoulders. People tend to think that the bits they see on an animal's back popping up and down are where the humerus joins the scapula, when it's actually the other end of the scapula and the humerus connects further down.

dkorch

good stuff squirmy...this looks like a really fun project. one thing that sticks out to me in your mesh is the folds in the skin you made...with those folds being so small, and how there are alot of the same ones on the back legs too I would just save your self those polys and do that in the normal map...you could use those polys though for all the spikes and what not on the legs.

im not sure if you are just basing your piece of this concept or going for a replica, but some good reference for you too would be to google bearded dragons.

anyways, lookin cool, keep it up.

Squirmy

Just to clear things up a bit the concept art is from the Draconomicon, and Im aiming for a more catlike physique. I might make the leg wrinkles in zbrush as suggested. Im open to workflow suggestions, as I would like to deviate from my current workflow which is lowpoly then zbrush/zmapper.

In general Im trying to stick to the concept art, but I dont care much for the anatomy in the first concept so that might get changed around a bit. I will probably make the spine curve like Lupus mentioned cause right now he looks stiff.

Thanks, everybody for your input.

seantree

looking good. Blue's are my favorite dragon with the whites coming in 2nd. Can't wait to this bad boy finished.

Squirmy

heres an update. Gotta model the claws again.

asuka

I prefered the first claws. Anyway, it`s a pretty nice work, but you have to do something with the tail, and the mouth

acc

Where's the penis?

Oh come on, you were thinking it.

asuka

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Who said it`s a male one?^^

almighty_gir

who says female dragons dont have penii?

asuka

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Good point^^

Mio

i like the first claws too,but good work man , nice model~

Turoid

I like his head a lot! The front legs have a weird bump at the front, don't know where that is for?

conte

nice one, high rez for normal map?

Squirmy

Yeah, Askhat. Im trying to break my normal map generation routine of lowpoly mesh to zbrush, detail, then zmapper.

This will be hipoly mesh to zbrush, detail, and lowpoly to zbrush, project hipoly to lopoly. Anybody have any experience with this method?

Im focusing on the anatomy around the wing/shoulder area right now. The current wings are placeholders and will be detailed more.

This first image is distorted from the perspective, so the porpotions look weird

Squirmy

Heres an update. This project has been a great learning experience for me. Zbrush is your friend. Still got a long way to go.

Slash

Looking good. Dont be afraid to take the zbrushing even further, now it looks like you're just carefully scratching the existing mesh.

Squirmy

I hear ya. I put alot of the edge flow in the base mesh, next time I will start with a more simple base mesh.

conte

nice=) keep going, dude

McIlroy

You should throw that in oblivion when you are done ! Though im not sure if you can import custom characters I have not seen it done , but would be cool if you could ! Some guys here worked on the game they might be able to tell you how to get it in . Looking good btw !

Squirmy

here is the result from the projection.



and the wireframe, its just under 10k polys



on to the diffuse map

noritsune

great job so far! looking forward to seeing your texturing.

PeterK

You've done a great job, but I have some comments. I think you've concentrated on high frequency details too soon. It could use some more low frequency details like larger wrinkles around the joints before scales and so forth. The detail looks uniform, and it may benefit from being broken up into a slightly more chaotic consistency.

Squirmy

PeterK I think your right about the mid level detail but Im not going back to add it. Its all about time, and Ive spent to much on this project as is. I will keep your suggestion in mind on future endevors. Thanks for posting