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well, thought he's improved so much he deserves his own thread.
got hands and legs now, so i put up a nice render.
i've done some small adjustments to the rear shell after the first render, and some adjustments to the muscles.
but i'm planning to make him animatable, and i'm not very skilled at skinning, so any tips would be appreciated, concerning the edge flow.
he's also going to have some facial animation, which i'm a bit uncertain how to do with bones. includes multiple lip joints, in several directions, and moving eyebrows.
(character studio seems to crash if i try to add additional bones)
any way i could add this into a game, for example UT2k4 or far cry? half life 2?
got hands and legs now, so i put up a nice render.
i've done some small adjustments to the rear shell after the first render, and some adjustments to the muscles.
but i'm planning to make him animatable, and i'm not very skilled at skinning, so any tips would be appreciated, concerning the edge flow.
he's also going to have some facial animation, which i'm a bit uncertain how to do with bones. includes multiple lip joints, in several directions, and moving eyebrows.
(character studio seems to crash if i try to add additional bones)
any way i could add this into a game, for example UT2k4 or far cry? half life 2?
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Oh yeah, can you show from the side? Id like to see how you got the shell around him. Thanks.
sorry one more thing, You may want to check the smoothing groups around his upper thigh, or turn some edges or something.
it's not perfect, had to do some adjustments here and there.
and no ortho for the arm. didn't really need it
here's the new front. managed to reduce the problem in the foot area.
hmm, wonder if i could make him do this.
due to public pressure, i will give the different turtle thing a thought. i'll give them different sheats for their weapons.
is there any way to export normal max bones?
i like them better than character studio.
The3DGuy is going to shit his pants.
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scream if you see something that doesn't seem right.
the red parts in the face is lips and eyebrows.
should give me some pretty basic control over the face.
i even drew him in paint on our old compaq busting through the walls in the sewers when i was around 8.
ah memories.
very rarely to TMNT characters turn out well in 3d, so im really digging this guy. the face looks great. polys seem well placed too.
i like the idea of making each turtle different.
also, was there ever a dark version of TMNT? it seems like a cool idea, but im not sure if ive actually seen it or just imagined it.
( i remember some toy of a duck character too...with an aviators jacket. anyone remember that bozo?)
was there ever a dark version of TMNT? it seems like a cool idea, but im not sure if ive actually seen it or just imagined it.
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Im working on it!!
Cool skeleton by the way dejawolf. Have you seen any of the unreal developer docs? It will show you the kind of skeleton to use in ut2k4.
which crashes every time i try to add additional bones, as well as messing up my mesh after a few scene loads.
i've had no problems adding extra bones to character studio in max 7. here's a screen grab of the skeleton i'm using:
what kind of bones are you using?
oh, and an update. i've started texturing now, model is unwrapped. if someone could host the model, i could slap out an SDK for everyone's texturing pleasure.
i'm not really sure about the bandana. think i'll desaturate a bit more.
they're just regular bones? you just have to set up their hierarchy first, then link it to the root of the cs rig... they also have to be animated seperately outside of the cs rollout.
ghost: what a nice thing to say
and foolin around a bit with raph's muscles. decided i'll go for a more ahnold texture instead of bolstering his polygons that much.
they're still a bit bigger than any of the other turtles.
and he's also taller. don is a bit skinnier than leo, and mike is a bit shorter, with a sheepish smile.
since they're brothers, i didn't want them to be too different.
you could get away with using the same model, just different textures. just make sure you get all their unique green colors. the equipment looks good.
it's gonna be a mix of movie looks, and the old cartoon.
sweet, that is looking really nice, and i might be able to host the sdk
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ok, thanks. how and where should i send?
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then some asshole stole them from me. a while later i found them at his place.
he had broken tokkas head off, and removed some stuff from rahzar. just before i broke his head off, and picked him apart.
oh well.. memories..
small update before bedtime.
fogot to tell i have added throwing star pouches to their belts.
i'll stop spamming this thread with pictures now!
the "dark" turtle, slash, got that toy when I was young too
great models dejawolf I really like how you succeeded turning them into 3d:)
I wouldn't go anywhere near the toys for reference though, they're all different! Leonardo was the short one wasn't he? I'd take all your peculiarities from the film if I were you, thats the gospel.
leonardo:
the leader of the gang. trains hard, and is splinters lovechild. should probably be fairly muscular, and the most skillfull fighter.
donatello:
the turtle tech-head. because of his computer habits and lots of sitting around thinking, would naturally be a bit skinnier than the other turtles.
not as strong as leo, but he's got a longer reach with his bo staff, which also is an effective shield when spun around.
raphael:
hot-head. known for going out and beat on people to steam off. builds his strength by punching and kicking anything and everything. his sais have a quite short reach, but in the hands of this turtle-ram, can bash most things to a pulp. definitely the strongest of the turtles.
michelangelo:
half-crazy funny turtle. probably around the same strength as don, with his lax lifestyle. not the first to pick a fight, but is able to sling out some heavy damage with his nunchucks.
While that may be the universal standard, it's never truly sit well with me. For being ninjas these characters always seems unrealistically muscular. Now there is the consideration that these creatures are not only inhuman, but mutations as well. That would easily account for the unbelievable level of muscle that they possess. Still that doesnt prevent me from saying what if:
First and most importantly, why do they have to look so similar to one another? It's said that they're brothers, but the truth is they were only raised as bothers for certain. They were four turtles purchased at a local pet shop; they might not even be the same breed as one another. This opens up plenty of options for visual differences amongst the four.
Leonardo:
Leo is the leader of the group and obviously he commits to his training much harder then the others. The rest are quite committed, but not to his level, so it makes sense for him to have an impressive musculature. I would give him about average height +1, mainly to make him a benchmark among the others while at the same time being something slightly more.
Donatello:
I wouldnt actually make Don skinnier; I would make him a bit chubbier. This stylistic change would play up on the fact that he feels outcast from the world, yet unlike Raph he still longs to be a part of it. Thus his affinity for technology. This would also go well with his choice of the Bo Staff, as such a long weapon would benefit from a strong center of balance afforded by the addition of a bit of weight. I would also make him the second shortest.
Raphael:
While it's true that Raphael is a hot head I wouldnt bulk him up at all, quite the opposite really. The Sai is an assassin's weapon, short, expertly lethal, and requiring a deal of agility and skill to weild correctly. I would make a bit thinner to help express this added agility, as well as making him shorter. The lack of height would help give his easily fired rage a sort of Napoleonic flavor, as well as making him a Scrapper character.
Michelangelo:
Everybody loves Mike; he's fun and good for comic relief. I would make him the tallest and reduce his bulk as well, though not necessarily to the degree I would drop Raph's. The thinner build high help convey a tree that bends easily with the wind, visually helping to match his easy going personality.
Anyway as far as fresh style choices those are my recommendations. It could be a lot of fun really reinventing these guys.
well, raphael sai's might be an assasisn weapon, but as you said, all ninjas are in the assasin business, always creeping in the shadows.
the thing is, the turtles are teenagers, and have been training almost since their birth. imagine taking around 100 pushups a day, with a shell on your back. it's gonna build your arms up quie a bit
they'll need every last bit of those muscles to run around like ninjas.
and they're teenagers, i'd say very eager to put their skills to use, raphael probably the most eager.
another thing, they were really tiny mutated turtles, turning into huge humanoid shapes.
this would mean rocksteady in reality should be the size of a rhino, or the turtles being around 30cm tall.
hmm... when i think about it, shredder turned into this huge metal monster in the second movie..
the weapons the turtles are using, are mostly farming tools turned weapons, except for leo, who is equipped with swords.
the idea behind them is they're readily available everywhere, and can be used for self-defense.
You bring up the shell and the weight it represents. The assumption seems to be that the weight is relative from the initial turtle form to that or the final humanoid form. My guess is that it's not. While it would be possible for the creature's bones to adjust in size and density to allow for such a mass that doesnt appear to be the way things went. The final shell that appears on the mutant turtles is far reduced in size from what they originally wore, so I would posit that the shell itself has become thinner and lighter to accommodate the new body rather then the body accommodating the shell. If the shell has become lighter as a result of the transition, then the need for an exceptional build to carry the weight lessens to a degree. Admittedly they will still be carrying a weight that humans dont, so the base level of musculature will be stronger, but I dont believe it needs to be on the level represented by the original toys.
The point of all ninjas essentially being in the assassin business is, to my knowledge, correct. The turtles would have to be very fit to move themselves around as ninjas supposedly did (fit, but not Arnold Schwarzenegger). In fact their occupation, especially with the need for acrobatics would almost demand a reduced weight from the shell if they were to be able to pull certain moves off.
Finally, yes their weapons were for the most part farming implements, but some of them have been in use for combat purposes for so long that the item became a weapon at heart:
Katana: The traditional bladed sword was developed as a thrusting weapon from the beginning as you mentioned.
Bo Staff: The traditional use of the Bo was that of a load bearer; strung across the shoulders to carry water buckets and other objects. It was recognized as a weapon against swordsmen by almost every level of feudal Japanese society and was one of the earliest pioneered weapons in the development of the martial arts. World wide the staff has been used as a weapon for a very, very long time so it wasnt just Japan that engineered this one.
Sai: It's believed to have developed from the pitchfork but to my mind the Sai is one of the tools that have come so far from its roots as to be nothing but a weapon. It was used for blocking, trapping, stabbing, and punching in a fight and was often used in pairs.
Nunchaku: Out of all four weapons the Nunchaku is the only one that retains its original use after being further developed as a weapon. It was originally used to thresh grain, though after occupation the Okinawans used it against the Japanese due to it appearing harmless until in use as a flail.
Anyway I believe the debate is reaching a point where it's more academic then helpful and I apologize for that. Take your turtles in the direction you desire and I'm sure the end result will be fantastic.
C'mon guys you make me want to see the movies again
Thanks for bringing back sweet memories!
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