how much better is a cintiq/intuos than a bamboo
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I am really wondering if it's worth buying a more recent intuos. currently I am using a bamboo, even for professional work and I am pleased with it on the whole.
I wondered if there is a really glaring difference between say a bamboo or a later model intuos or cintiq.
I actually don't use my intuos 2 any more as I am convinced the pressure sensitivity is not working properly and I could never get it working quite as I like.
Hell, I still have an old graphire which works fine too, but i can't get the proper nibs now.
So for example I sculpt a lot of cloth, so how much diff would it make , or is it neglible?
I did have a quick go on a cintiq once when working at a vfx company and it seemed quite nice in photoshop, but never tried it in zbrush
I wondered if there is a really glaring difference between say a bamboo or a later model intuos or cintiq.
I actually don't use my intuos 2 any more as I am convinced the pressure sensitivity is not working properly and I could never get it working quite as I like.
Hell, I still have an old graphire which works fine too, but i can't get the proper nibs now.
So for example I sculpt a lot of cloth, so how much diff would it make , or is it neglible?
I did have a quick go on a cintiq once when working at a vfx company and it seemed quite nice in photoshop, but never tried it in zbrush
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I like to map both my monitor on the whole wacom, I loose half of it in photoshop, but I don't use mouse anymore, the bamboo is just too small for that.
A Cintiq is just awesome, unlike the price.... PROS of Cintiq = Is a cintiq, is ''real''.
Cons: Is hard to find the good spot for sitting correclty and getting the desk organise...Where will you place your keyboard and get used to it.... and if you dock windows out of your cintiq, you have to reach it with your mouse...
MY best choice, FOR ME, is an intuos, only because I rarely use the mouse.
EDIT: I have intuos at work, Cintiq at home & a Bamboo. And I ended up bringing my intuos from work at home a couple of times.
I have a large, second hand Intuos 4 on my desk right now, works like a charm. If I could get a medium Intuos Pro right now, I would. They just feel smoother to me than Bamboos, and the ability to tilt is important to me as a 2D artist. For just navigating and 3D I can't admit that I have much of a preference, though. Never used a cintiq so I can't give any opinion on that.
Do remember that the new "Intuos" models are actually basically the bamboo. What used to be the Intuos is now the "Intuos Pro" because marketing I guess.
I'd say the main pros are still just
A) Ability to tilt
and maybe free alternate nibs if you like that kind of thing. I don't think there are any "game changers", though I do like the extra buttons on the Intuos Pro/4 models and there's a bunch of base level differences that don't make much of a difference to the experience, really.
I actually prefer a really small tablet for some reason anyway.
my workflow will revolve around makes a stroke then smooothing it out, kind of like oil painting.
I always secretly wished for a workflow more akin to real world airbrushing where you could get super smooth gradients.
that being said i have always used Intuos 4s and have only a little experience with the bamboo, also never tried a cintique.
I wss just scared in case I was missing out on something better really
The only really annoying thing is the usb cable on my bamboo is always falling out.
Love my Intuos 4 though
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buttons are kind of hard to feel on the 5 and plenty stiff in my opinion. all disabled here.
i don't think an intuos enables better strokes whatsoever through some secret sauce, i find software is the main divider here. some apps just don't feel good for painting or lack the brush performance. seems like almost anything out there feels more natural than photoshop.
Needless to say, I cannot recommend it enough for someone looking into buying a tablet. Can get them used for cheap off of ebay that are in near new condition. The 5 series also look promising, have only heard good things. Paying the premium for the Wacom brand should be a no brain-er for anyone in the industry.
My new tablet is an Intuos Pen (Bamboo). Apart from having to place my palm on desk, every works really well. Minus the tilting which I don't really need.
There's no Bamboo anymore by the way. Bamboo is now Intuos. Intuos is now Intuos Pro.
imo if you're going the walk down the cintiq road you should get the/a big one so you can simply replace your main screen. What really makes the difference is that you can draw more stable as you can see where your hand is heading to. On the other hand you always have the pen tip in your vision.
With a bit of luck I have currently a intuos2, intuos4, cintiq 13 and cintiq 22 here and I tend to work on the cintiq22 and one intuos simultaneously - switching depending on what I do. I'm quite sure this is a personal habit but for some tasks I don't want the pen tip in my face. I tend to do more and more on the cintiq22 though as it's simply a bit more natural.
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for me it's much harder to just naturally sketch on a tablet cause i rarely do the lines i want on the first try. But on my phone or a tablet it's easy to just brain storm. Painting on the other hand isn't a problem either way.
I was thinking of getting one of the yiynova tablets since I've seen tons of favorable reviews from artists.
As for durability i'm down to one USB port on my intuos 4, i'm a little worried the last one might be going out. This is a strange problem to have.
My main interest lies in whether the more advanced wacom improves zbrush sculpting or not. I guess not by the repsonses so far.
TBH , when I was working at nexus a few years back I used an intuos 4 and found the pressure sensitivity alsmost impossible to work with. I think it must have been a driver issue, though the tablet itself looked nice.
again I am not really unhappy with my bamboo, but you always get the urge to try something better at some point.
And ya, I'm on a Intous Pro Large with a 27" 1440P screen. Perfect for modeling/sculpting/texturing. I rarely use my mouse now.
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After that I would say I prefer Bamboo actually. It resembles somehow my favorite Intuos 1 (original) which didn't have those damn useless buttons, had a pen looked like a pencil or real pen, not a thick heavy log in your hand and allowed to keep keyboard closer , just right next to drawing surface.
As of Cintiq I don't see a reason to buy it. It lacks an advantage tablets have over old fashioned canvas or paper style of drawing.
I mean when you draw/paint for real your view is obstructed by your own hand and tools + maulstick and palette in your left hand. And I have never felt a lack of precision with Intuos or Bamboo.
ps. One thing I miss with Bamboo is tilt . Although the only things I used it for were a few brushes in Painter. But since I abandoned Painter years ago already and don't even know if the tilt is working for Zbrush , doubt it actually, Bamboo seems ok.
I actually don't like any of the express key setups they've done lately. So much so that my ancient 1st gen 21UX has outlasted it's proposed replacements. (a 22HD and then 24HD) The 22HD lack of pixel height didn't help it's case, and the 24HD was just too physically big and wide bezel made reaching the keys uncomfortable. The original 21UX has a really nice express key layout that allows you to plant your thumb on it and use 4 buttons in combination. (critical for selections and masking in my opinion) I haven't tried the rocker of the 13HD, but that looks like it could provide the same sort of experience. That might be something to try if you're more comfortable working on a smaller surface areas. I've seen those sell at pretty reasonable prices with people wanting to jump to the Companions.
but the bamboo was more handy and didnt need that much space
apart from that i didnt really feel any significant difference while drawing. sure.. you have tilt, but i didnt use it once until now.
cintiq is a different matter though.
The intuos 5s USB port is recessed in pretty deep so it should not wear out like the 4 and 3