Livestreamer's be wary!
polycounter lvl 12
Just thought I would spread this around, to hopefully make a few more people aware.
Woke up this morning to find my inbox filled with people linking me to a 'tutorial' I supposedly made.
http://gfxdomain.net/blog/2013/07/ha...ush-45645.html
I didn’t make any tutorial at all, but this place has taken my live streams and packaged them together and presented it like it is, when it certainly isn't.
This is me, talking smack with friends, swearing profusely and basically responding to questions - some of which have absolutely nothing to do with 3d at all. There are huge pauses in the stream ( gone to lunch ) and even the occasional questionable 'reference' image lol.
Not only does this hurt the people out there who are making legitimately awesome and focused tuts to help people with, it in essence makes me feel like I need to stop talking in livestreams altogether, and remove any videos instead of storing them for people to watch at their leisure, or that I need to turn into some tight wad straight up and down, professional at all times <---Totally not me.
I've requested very nicely to have it taken down.
Epic loss all round. Thoughts / Ideas?
Woke up this morning to find my inbox filled with people linking me to a 'tutorial' I supposedly made.
http://gfxdomain.net/blog/2013/07/ha...ush-45645.html
I didn’t make any tutorial at all, but this place has taken my live streams and packaged them together and presented it like it is, when it certainly isn't.
This is me, talking smack with friends, swearing profusely and basically responding to questions - some of which have absolutely nothing to do with 3d at all. There are huge pauses in the stream ( gone to lunch ) and even the occasional questionable 'reference' image lol.
Not only does this hurt the people out there who are making legitimately awesome and focused tuts to help people with, it in essence makes me feel like I need to stop talking in livestreams altogether, and remove any videos instead of storing them for people to watch at their leisure, or that I need to turn into some tight wad straight up and down, professional at all times <---Totally not me.
I've requested very nicely to have it taken down.
Epic loss all round. Thoughts / Ideas?
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But I remember when I was young(er), I made a few really bad tutorials and I had some sites take them as their "own" saying they had made them, but if they wanted their named stamped on my crappy tutorial then :P
But your situation is different cause this does affect you personally, doing a search on the title and you find a bunch of sites having it listed as a tutorial.
So you might want to send a mail to them as well, although I fear it will not do much good.
Search result: https://www.google.no/search?q=Hazardousarts+–+Sculpting+a+Female+Character+in+ZBrush&oq=Hazardousarts+–+Sculpting+a+Female+Character+in+ZBrush&aqs=chrome.0.69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Good luck.
And if it does not catch any attention people will most likely lose interest, although this thread might not help with that.
I don't see a change in attitude being necessary as it's not your fault, we all have personal lives, and the way you talk with friends on skype or over livestream has nothing to do with you professionally, but some do let this get in the way.
Maybe find a site that does not save the recordings, but if there is someone there in person recording it then I don't know.
Once you fire that stuff into the internet, you lose control of that data. Probably not legally, but effectively - you can't spend your time chasing down the distributors and issuing take-down requests.
So your options seem somewhat limited:
Only broadcast things you're comfortable with the community/your boss/the nsa/ potential employers hearing.
Create a professional series of tutorials, that will inevitably be pirated, to 'drown out' the livestream stuff.
Create a subscription based, or private stream to limit the availability of the data and hope for the best.
Basic stuff, but that's all I've got.
Just make sure that people tell about the livestream in those comment sections and hope for the best it seems.
They all seem to link to the same three/four downloading sites (and not a torrent), so maybe try to send a email to those hosting sites with the explanation, could never hurt I think.
Always shitty when one guy has to ruin it for everyone else (and put you in this position).
Just a note on the recording:
If the guy is following you (gets a email when you go live), and he is really adamant about doing this again, he can just record it while you are live.
The good news, is it looks like some people are leaving positive comments explaining where the footage is from, so hoorah for community support ^_^
At the same time however, lets face it, most likely the person who did this did it for the sake of generating cash via downloads, these peeps will rip anything out there and upload it on shitty site like RapidGator, RapidShare, etc, to make money.
With that being said, I don't exactly see what the issue may be? If a recruiter catches you via this 'file', then there are bigger questions in play about this person rather then if were being a wanker or not in your videos, like why are they looking for talent via warez sites.
If anything this plays in your favor, if someone fires you an email with some angsty remarks, casually point out that they're doing no favors in their argument when they pirating a 'potential tutorial', and point them at the stream to show this was a public get together with friends online.
The second question is, how can this really impact your negatively on a public scale? A quick google search will ONLY show warez sites, they won't show your site directly with the video, 3DM, E3D, etc. Anyone who has half a brain can put 2 and 2 together to figure out that this was a simple Twitch rip.
If that still doesn't help, maybe put a blog or something along those lines, where you put up your wips, etc, and make a blanket statement about the issue? With proper keywords, ask peeps around to do a Google search and to click on your post only, that will pretty much make it the first hit in Google, good enough that you can honeypot the results in your favor so anyone else trying to being smart with you gets an answer.
With all that said, I seriously don't see what the big issue is, everything is in your favor so far, down to the smallest point. There is literally zero stuff ruined as of now (if you don't count people who might be making less then wholesome pennies via downloads).
JK Jk, love ya Haz.
But I have to admit that when I first saw it, I thought it was legit. Until I saw this thread.
Also, it just shows that THE Hazardous is a normal dude with a personality too. I doubt there's any way to stop this but I also doubt that it'll give you a bad rep so please keep on sharing as it's really useful to us noobies
What they did is take your livestream recordings(which are freely avaible?) and package them and upload them to sites like GFXDomain for "others"(read the guys who frequent those sites)? I might have missed something but where is the harm in that? If the stream is freely available they are only sharing and "spreading" the word without any harm done since you aren't selling VODs? This would be the same if I had the VODS lying around on my harddrive and sharing it with a friend who might be interested in the 'tutorial' or am I totally missing the problem?
Btw I love the new tutorial. Im at the part when you have to go and make a shake to become better. Best 250$ ever spent!
Because IMO this takes away from the people that take creating tutorials seriously and do it for an income or supplimental income. Because this guy has packaged this as a legit tutorial, It cheapens the whole arena I guess. Its just a shame that this has to happen is all.
I guess I can see how you'd feel that way and it sucks to have control taken out from under you, but I wouldn't say it cheapens anything. After all, I don't think that random people posting youtube tutorials cheapens the folks at Eat3D or 3DMotive (as long as it isn't just copying their videos, obviously.) It is just another way for people that are hungry to learn to get advice. I think the disservice is how they're packaging something differently than what you had intended it to be.
That being said, you've been a great benefit to this community in my opinion. You've written tutorials for Vertex, given hands on training with your "Create a girl" course, and overall you've never hoarded you knowledge. I really hope that whoever is doing this doesn't sour you and keep you from contributing like you have in the past.
i dont see how it affects commercial tutorials in any way. people who need full paid tutorials will buy them anyways. people who download this will see that this was not actually a tutorial and will eventually buy actual tutorials instead.
besides, there are tons of free tutorials created by lots of great artists.
i have seen free tutorials shared like this everywhere, including tutorials i made myself. free tutorials are meant to be shared and i personally dont mind them spreading.
the only injustice here is that this was not meant to be packaged as a tutorial and downloaded online like this WITHOUT your approval.
however, i feel like the entity to blame is not gfxdomain rather the person who actually watched your livestream, recorded it and then made it public download. find the source of the leak, then blame him/her.
AVOID!'
Ouch, haz. Looks like the critics are a bit harsh with your content.
I should put up entire irc chatlog of #model_design and set up a web store to sell a printed book of it. $__$
And if you want to hit google go here - https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/164734?hl=en - you do have to format the request in a particular way to have ALL iterations of the content removed otherwise you have to list each entry individually.
Where can I purchase this?
Also I think this is a one time thing (kind of). If they did that to the Bliss or Morrigan streams the "tutorial" would be over 30 hours long for each.
Everyone gets damaged in this scene all the time, and this won't be the last time.
Or posts Unity for free...hell, I even once saw UDK being posted as the 'real UDK', it was hilarious to read the butthurt comments about Epic putting spyware trying to monitor everyones move in this release as if it was some master plan.
You're not indirectly damaging anything, nor is anything being damaged.
What I'm trying to say is that it's a dick move on what this person did (I was able to track the original post on a certain site of the Persian nature) and trying to contain it at this point is useless due to the quick spill out, you can have the files taken down and asking at the original site for the take down is usually an effective way at curbing it (the original site has a history of taking down files that belong to single or indie people that aren't big companies), especially getting rid of the original (and only) torrent file.
Yeah, it sucks and it must feel real nasty to have something taken from under you nose, but your best solution is to honestly just honeypot this post or something on your blog about the entire issue and call it a day, it's not like this could get any worse, just threat like it's a bandage on a hairy arm.
EDIT: This might read like I am saying, 'Don't post this here at Polycount'. I'm absolutely not. In fact, I'm glad its here. But you may get some answers/action if you did so on theirs.
People can make money from ads on their site.
No, you really cant prevent it from being recorded.
There are two methods to grab such videos...the first is to use any number of plugins for firefox. When you do that, you will have to download a ton of smaller flv files, then combine them together in a video editor.
The other method, which is easier, is just to play the video while you are using something like camtasia to record it in real time.
I wouldnt say its an epic loss. It means your work is good to the point where many wish to learn from it.
Actually my gf sent me the twitch.tv link with your video. She was impressed and was asking me if there was a way she could DL for her learning/inspiration folder. I dont think she knows, much less others, that you didnt want it to get out like that.
The demand is there though.
You could release your own version of it with a disclaimer or with you doing voice over and im sure that one will replace whatever version is going around now.
Additionally you can use it to your advantage. This means there is a market growing for your work. Why not try your hand at releasing some tutorials for $$$. You are already getting free exposure now.
Thats definitely part of it, Gav & I are going to do this. Be thankful we even gave you some kind of warning! :thumbup:
Keep on keeping on with the good energy you put into your work as always. If people take 1% of livestream commentary as a way to inhibit your ability to stay a professional. Well, I can say at least we can both can make a pretty good estimate on what is worth pursuing and what needs attention in dismissing.
I rip a lot of videos for my team without good internet access. And in China with the terrible internet watching a livestream is extremely painful when it stutters all the time due to buffering
I wouldn't stop making them tho, nuts to them, talk how you wanna talk. I don't see how it would affect you professionally given the type of sites they are on and who would frequent them. Plus people love smack talk haha, I enjoy listening to podcasts and the like where artists just talk about any interesting ol' thing they feel like.
Sorry Haz, hope it doesn't prevent streams in the future
^_^
I tried. Oh lord how I did try.
- BoBo
Bobo whoa dude that sucks, this really dampens spirits at least It would mine to even share any of this stuff if this is how people repay your generous nature. It is such a waste of time they obviously have to much on their hands.
I wonder if this is the same dude or dudes that have been harassing polycount for years, maybe even that one guy I forget his name there have been so many through the years especially when we catch them in there lies and boast there real ID all over the web as a poser.
Oh well all that time could have been spent learning and getting better if it is this same person.
I like the water mark idea put It right in the middle of the video this is free learning material, boom nicely done.
Again best of luck.
Edit:(not serious but just a thought)
This is why we don't we good things.
I do this already with streaming some games, there are casting programs that allow you to overlay and show only what you want (for example only show Zbrush and not the 'images' you're looking at in the background) overlay/add images to the steam and also add other looping videos/webcam inset into the stream before it even hits Twitch/livestream/justintv . You could just tag it with your details and a warning thats you need/want on the screen.
It sucks that some douchebag is packaging it up as a tutorial when it plainly isn't but what would annoy the shit outta me more is the comments some of the self entitled little pricks downloaded it make.
Unless it's something where they play an audio clip 9-10 times in a row. Gawd, that bugs me.