the ultimate leap.

nufftalon

i have decided to create the ultimate environment. i have already gathered over 161 reference images. I will create this environment using 3ds max zbrush and final post processing in cryengine. I have never used cryengine this will force me to learn it. I am contemplating on buying ndo for brick work that needs to be done or use zbrush alphas and make normal maps with xnormal. I cant make it brick by brick it would take years to complete. I want to push cryengine and myself to its limit. I need a dev goal to set. I wanted to follow some sort of specs maybe pc specs. I will say that this project is a huge castle mountains road and trees. What should I set for my polycount and texture map I wanna put as much detail as i can. Anyhelp would be greatly appreciated.

almighty_gir

for the ultimate environment, i'd want to see fully hardware tesselated goodness, with 8192*8192 textures all round.

nufftalon

haha 8k sounds like its bluray quality haha. if im using a game engine like cryengine is 8k texture maps used for games like crysis. I have made only one environment in udk so far was 1k. I just really wanna go all out for this personal project my friends thinks its overkill

Jason Young

Post up your concept. Also, this should probably go into P&P.

nufftalon

sorry i am planning on doing the neuschwanstein castle in germany its gonna have alot of detail im gonna make the statues and coat of arms in zbrush gonna be alot of work but i wanna really own this project I'm going for realistic. im not sure how to move this post to a different thread I assume I may have to contact an admin

Pedro Amorim

yeah. 8k sounds reasonable.

nufftalon

ok so 8k it is then thanks everyone but what about polycount its a personal project but i would like to use it for my portfolio.. as far as tesselation goes im not sure how to incorporate that does that have something to do with direct x 11

cholden

Thought it was this
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=976_1344866428

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Joopson

From seeing your last environment, I'm not sure you're ready for something like this- and it'll probably turn out to be more discouraging than anything. If you think you can follow it to the end, I'm sure you'd learn lots, but do you think you'd get that far?
I'd say consider something smaller just now. Props, or an interior, or something. But that's just me.

nufftalon

thanks joopson I want the frustration it will help me learn faster but Im excited to do this. I will make it my duty to get it done it may take me awhile but it will be worth it. I know i can do it though. cholden im saving that bridge for next years project

reverendK

cholden wrote: »

Thought it was this
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=976_1344866428

Holy ducksauce the pic of the worker just standing on that i-beam gave me vertigo. I was terrified for his photographic self.

MalloryW

nufftalon wrote: »

thanks joopson I want the frustration it will help me learn faster but Im excited to do this. I will make it my duty to get it done it may take me awhile but it will be worth it. I know i can do it though. cholden im saving that bridge for next years project

Trust me, I don't think you really want the frustration, at least not yet.

nufftalon

im gonna at least try. i was looking at it and was thinking of all the ways i could make custom alphas in illustrator and bring into zbrush as alphas. was think of the castle courtyard and seeing i can make some modular pieces i meaj the one window arch repeats like 17 times.

Andreas

nufftalon wrote: »

sorry i am planning on doing the neuschwanstein castle in germany its gonna have alot of detail im gonna make the statues and coat of arms in zbrush gonna be alot of work but i wanna really own this project I'm going for realistic.

Stop talkin' start doin'.

*(Also start using capitals and punctuating. Even if you're a really good artist; a recruiter, and most other people, will find your typing style pretty off-putting)*

nufftalon

haha thanks andreas enough talking from me i will start tomorrow and make a wip in p&p section

wolver

you seem inexperienced so instead of tackling the entire thing at once it might be better to test if you can do it first. you could make a portion of the castle - say a courtyard or a small portion of the road with a tree or two. concentrate on it, make it really well and it will be your proof of concept and proof you can go on to make the rest... which sounds ambitious even for someone with experience but hey if you can do it and prove you can do it, colour me impressed.

Andreas

Yes, that's good advice from paintforge. There's nothing stopping you using that component in your final scene. Start with small parts, test the workflow. Make sketches and lists to decide what you want in you scene. Test tools like ivy generators to really make your scene pop.

nufftalon

I am going to start by doing the front of the castle. Sorry Andreas I don't have the best control on my cellphone.

Kurt Russell Fan Club

Don't do it, make twelve environments in a month.

The ceramics teacher announced on opening day that he was dividing the class into two groups. All those on the left side of the studio, he said, would be graded solely on the quantity of work they produced, all those on the right solely on its quality. His procedure was simple: on the final day of class he would bring in his bathroom scales and weigh the work of the "quantity" group: fifty pound of pots rated an "A", forty pounds a "B", and so on. Those being graded on "quality", however, needed to produce only one pot - albeit a perfect one - to get an "A".

Well, came grading time and a curious fact emerged: the works of highest quality were all produced by the group being graded for quantity. It seems that while the "quantity" group was busily churning out piles of work - and learning from their mistakes - the "quality" group had sat theorizing about perfection, and in the end had little more to show for their efforts than grandiose theories and a pile of dead clay.

from [ame="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0961454733/"]Art and Fear[/ame]

ZacD

If you are working on art 8 hours a day, you should try to finish something new every week, or every 2 weeks if you are working less. It could be a prop or character or a small room in a scene, but be constantly finishing something, that way you have a full portfolio, and not one half finished "epic" project.

adam

blah blah blah start already and post pics

nufftalon

I currently have an 8 hour non 3d job I can dedicate about 4 and a half hours a day maybe, even some hours at night.

adam

Thats great. Stop posting about doing 3D and do some 3D.

ZacD

Love you Adam.

nufftalon

OK will do.

Justin Meisse

The more time you spend fantasizing about something the higher the likelyhood you'll run out of motivation:

How Our Brains Stop Us From Achieving Our Goals (and How to Fight Back)

nufftalon

Ok well tomorrow its on then. Goodnight all. I did however create this thread not to ask if people thought I could do this project but rather to ask advice on what I should make my specs out to be.

Andreas

nufftalon wrote: »

Ok well tomorrow its on then. Goodnight all. I did however create this thread not to ask if people thought I could do this project but rather to ask advice on what I should make my specs out to be.

Well, that's a bit of a 'how long is a piece of string' question. You'll have to feel it out for yourself. Use what you need to do it justice.

Torch

Hey just a couple of things, do you have a portfolio we could check out? Also, I think your passion is awesome but if you haven't used Cryengine before or (I'm assuming) haven't been doing environment art that long, I think you're aiming waaay too high.

I don't want to discourage you but it would be much better if you modelled and textured just one asset to bring into Cryengine and view (something really simple, e.g. trash can, other prop) )since you will have the experience of importing a finished asset, something to show and less time consuming than taking on an epic project like what you mentioned. Just my 2 pennies

nufftalon

Hey Torch yeah I made a sketchbook here it is http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103471

DrunkShaman

yey!!

EDIT: Good luck. Looking forward to view your ultimate thread containing pics of the ultimate environment that has ultimate props made by an ultimate man.

nufftalon

thanks Nitewalker I will try my best haven't used max in a while lol